Sedan_Clan wroteThat really sucks but you're posting about it, which makes it a good day. Glad you're OK.We got into a shootout today. Really bad friggin' day. Ughhhh!
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Littlebear wroteYou gotta read the whole article. References are at the end. Quoted here to save your fingers from having to click your mouse.Yes, but I see no supporting data in your link.
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Fly320s wroteI read the whole article, and clicked on many of the footnotes. Thanks & interesting stuff for sure, but I did not see a thing comparing crime in modern cities to the US expansion into the west.You gotta read the whole article. References are at the end. Quoted here to save your fingers from having to click your mouse.
Sedan_Clan wroteGlad nobody died.Thank you! Yes! The two shooters surrendered after a really long ordeal.
Sedan_Clan wroteI wish this tool was mandatory. I'll bet you'd be right about it alleviating some of the deadly force you would otherwise have to use. Like some others have said, like it's straight out of a movie. Pretty cool.I WISH we had those. That would be a wonderful tool. It would, in theory, limit how much deadly force we might have to use. I would much rather use that than a stun bag shotgun.
Sedan_Clan wroteI WISH we had those. That would be a wonderful tool. It would, in theory, limit how much deadly force we might have to use. I would much rather use that than a stun bag shotgun.
IllSic_Design wroteThe BolaWrap demo is mostly performed on volunteer suspects standing still or walking slowly. How does it perform when a suspect is running, and their leg stride is faster than the BolaWrap can encircle them?Yeah that actually looks like pretty cool tech that would actually work/help officers.
Maybe I've been working in the IT field with the mythical "sales guy land" where everything works and integrates with zero effort, but I am skeptical when the demo video focuses on people standing still or walking comically slow. I'm sure that it has a use in law enforcement, but would it be used enough to justify the belt space?????
I remember a number of years ago a TV news show did a piece on less than lethal weapons for police and military. It might have been 60 minutes, but just guessing. Anyway, they had a gun that shot a net, the Bolo, and a thing that looked like a military flame thrower that shot out a very thick glue. All very impressive when a reasonably compliant volunteer is your subject. Not likely practical to equip every scout car with though. The sad reality is sometimes force get's used and sometimes it goes badly. CEW is a good less than lethal option, but there are those who want it banned because of a few bad outcomes. How many lives have been saved because it was an option never seems to matter to the activists.
Littlebear wroteEntirely too predictable and exactly the response I was saying not to bother with. Your bias is clear and you do not appear to be arguing in good faith which is why the politics forum was closed.Learn some manners, pls.
You can go round & round your toilet bowl, for all I care.
CDC Study Ban?:
"Passed in 1997 with the strong backing of the NRA, the so-called "Dickey Amendment" effectively bars the national Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) from studying firearm violence...."
"Besides, experts say, non-partisan research could uncover a plethora of suggestions to help stem the tide of violence -- education strategies, guns storage solutions, etc. -- that don't include limiting access to guns.
"Violence prevention researchers are invested in less violence, not fewer guns," Corby said. "Their end game is not to take away guns.""
https://www.gunpolicy.org/templates/gunpolicy/images/factpage-head.jpg
https://abcnews.go.com/US/federal-government-study-gun-violence/story?id=50300379
I’ll let this thread get back to cop talk.
NorCalAthlete wroteSorry to bother you, Carnac.Entirely too predictable and exactly the response I was saying not to bother with. Your bias is clear and you do not appear to be arguing in good faith which is why the politics forum was closed.
I’ll let this thread get back to cop talk.
Murf993 wroteThis wasn't put into standard use since it proved dangerous if it was applied to the head. Still pretty darn cool though.
People still don't understand the difference between NON-lethal, and LESS-lethal.
NorCalAthlete wroteI tried once when I was a newbie here. I didn't realize how biased and unwilling to discuss the subject rationally he was. And how insulting he is when discussing firearms. Now I ignore him entirely. I guessed you wouldn't last long either.Entirely too predictable and exactly the response I was saying not to bother with. Your bias is clear and you do not appear to be arguing in good faith which is why the politics forum was closed.
I’ll let this thread get back to cop talk.
jamesinaz wroteExcuses, excuses, excuses!I tried once when I was a newbie here. I didn't realize how biased and unwilling to discuss the subject rationally he was. And how insulting he is when discussing firearms. Now I ignore him entirely. I guessed you wouldn't last long either.
And another empty post attacking the messenger....
So predictable!
Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Why the Politics & Religion section has been removed.
I would REALLY like to see this valuable thread continue, and implore everyone to keep it on topic. There is no longer a politics/religion section here.....
Why the Politics & Religion section has been removed.
I would REALLY like to see this valuable thread continue, and implore everyone to keep it on topic. There is no longer a politics/religion section here.....
vreihen16 wroteProbably better than tasing someone who isn't running in a straight line, where an errant prong would render it ineffective.Sedan_Clan wroteI WISH we had those. That would be a wonderful tool. It would, in theory, limit how much deadly force we might have to use. I would much rather use that than a stun bag shotgun.IllSic_Design wroteThe BolaWrap demo is mostly performed on volunteer suspects standing still or walking slowly. How does it perform when a suspect is running, and their leg stride is faster than the BolaWrap can encircle them?Yeah that actually looks like pretty cool tech that would actually work/help officers.
Maybe I've been working in the IT field with the mythical "sales guy land" where everything works and integrates with zero effort, but I am skeptical when the demo video focuses on people standing still or walking comically slow. I'm sure that it has a use in law enforcement, but would it be used enough to justify the belt space?????
Sedan_Clan wroteEspecially for some that may mistake their firearm for a taser. I won't elaborate any further on that but we know what I'm referring to.Probably better than tasing someone who isn't running in a straight line, where an errant prong would render it ineffective.
Littlebear wroteI agree with you.Excuses, excuses, excuses!
And another empty post attacking the messenger....
So predictable!
Attack or debate the subject, not the person.
I also agree that we need to stick with the thread subject and try not to get too political. I'm as guilty as the next guy of doing that, but I'll try to be a good boy.
Fly320s wrotePeace be with you; Peace be with us all.I agree with you.
Attack or debate the subject, not the person.
I also agree that we need to stick with the thread subject and try not to get too political. I'm as guilty as the next guy of doing that, but I'll try to be a good boy.
So, coppers, who's rights did you violate today? 
I keed, I keed!
Not sure I've seen this question yet. If you weren't a cop, what job would you like to have?

I keed, I keed!
Not sure I've seen this question yet. If you weren't a cop, what job would you like to have?
Fly320s wroteSorry coppers; it just made me laugh....So, coppers, who's rights did you violate today?
I keed, I keed!
Not sure I've seen this question yet. If you weren't a cop, what job would you like to have?
Littlebear wroteThere may be a bit of Vieux Carre cocktail in my system. Who is the rum guy? I'm like him, but I have better taste in booze.Sorry coppers; it just made me laugh....
Fly320s wroteYou are ambitious!There may be a bit of Vieux Carre cocktail in my system. Who is the rum guy? I'm like him, but I have better taste in booze.
I'm still on my first Friday Night Margarita, but I'm saying good night to you all (I hope)!
