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      04-26-2011, 02:55 PM   #1
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Rub / No Rub Index

I just mounted a new set of wheels and tires along with installing the Dinan Stage 1 with camber plates. I did a good amount of research and asking questions and in the end was fairly certain I would not have rubbing issues. Well, I do rub...albeit slight. So, I thought I'd start this thread and perhaps it would be a good single source for those interested this topic. Here are my specs...

Car: 08 E92

Wheels w/ Offsets: HRE P40S - (F) 19x9 +25, (R) 19x10.5 +25

Spacers: None

Tires / Miles: Yoko Advan 08 - (F) 255/35/19, (R) 295/30/19; New Tires

Suspension: Dinan Stage 1 with camber plates

EDC Setting: Normal/Sport

Alignment: (F) -1.7 camber 1/16" toe (R) -1.5 camber 1/8" toe

Fender Modifications: (F) None (R) None

Rubbing?: (F) Yes, both sides, just barely kissing the liner on full lock (R) Yes, both sides, outside of tires rubbing the plastic nub on the wheel well liner mostly on bigger bumps at speeds over 40mph. Sounds nasty...and as you would expect rubs less frequently on Sport. Hopefully after some miles on the tires and the plastic nub wearing down it will stop.

Hopefully there aren't too many other variables to consider in order to get a good sense of what you can expect when sizing up new goodies. Man I love this car.

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      04-26-2011, 03:55 PM   #2
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19x9 ET 31, 255/35/19 Nitto Invo
19X10 ET 25, 285/30/19 NItto Invo

Stock alignment and suspension.

No rubbing at all.

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not surprised on the front - I'm running the same size tire (although I'm running PS2's) and it rubs very slightly on the driver side when I have the wheel cut all the way to the right. it's just the overall diameter of 255/35/19 that causes it, because I have a different set of wheels with 265/35/18 (wider but shorter - also PS2's) that don't rub at all.

on the rear, that sounds tough. I went through a bit of this there's another guy on here with the same offset and tires who doesn't rub (Fastrack). I reached out to him because I went through some of this myself. Where are you rubbing? Maybe you can trim that rear bumper tab (where the rear bumper meets up with the upper fender).

no point in posting my specs as I ended up having my fenders pulled to run a wider tire.

post some pics of the new wheels!
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Wheels w/ Offsets: VMR VB3 - (F) 19x9.5 +22, (R) 19x10 +25

Spacers: None

Tires / Miles: Michelin PS2- (F) 255/35/19, (R) 275/35/19

Suspension: OEM

EDC Setting: no EDC

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Rubbing?: nope
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Standard ride height. Factory suspension settings

Fronts: A few of the RAC group buy guys 9" +22 w/Vredestein 255/35 x 19's have reported rear fenderliner rubbing at full lock. My car with that setup just barely clears on both sides in the rear and left front. The right front just touches.

Rears: 10" +22 w/Vredestein 275/35 X19 - Clear.



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Alignment: (F) -1.6 camber (R) -2.0 camber

Rubbing?: (F) Yes, both sides, just barely kissing the liner on full lock (R) Yes, both sides, outside of tires rubbing inner fender lip under full compression over large bumps.
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19X9.5, 285/35/19 Michelin PS2's

H&R Sport springs.

No rubbing.

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TE 37 9.5 x18 et 28 front with NT05 275/35/18 - no rubbing
TE 37 10.5x18 et 22 rear with NTO5 285/35/18 - no rubbing

I have ground control suspension with something like 2.4 camber front, 1.9 rear.
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Standard ride height. Factory suspension settings

Fronts: A few of the RAC group buy guys 9" +22 w/Vredestein 255/35 x 19's have reported rear fenderliner rubbing at full lock. My car with that setup just barely clears on both sides in the rear and left front. The right front just touches.

Rears: 10" +22 w/Vredestein 275/35 X19 - Clear.
No rubbing here with those tires on RACs and Dinan springs front or rear. I'm running factory camber, though. Will try and increase that.
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      04-27-2011, 10:55 PM   #10
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No rubbing here with those tires on RACs and Dinan springs front or rear. I'm running factory camber, though. Will try and increase that.
I think it may be a tolerance thing so that some clear and some don't. You can see from the photo that mine really just touches.
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Wheels w/ Offsets: Advan RS (F) 19" +22, (R) 19" +20

Spacers: None

Tires / Miles: Yoko Advan AD08 - (F) 245/35/19, (R) 295/30/19; New Tires

Suspension: Eibach Springs

EDC Setting: Normal/Sport

Alignment: (F) -Unsure (R) -Unsure

Rubbing?: (F) No. (R) Yes when going at a freeway speeds usually over 80mph and hit a sudden bump. Dips are fine but bumps are not. If I have people in the back this creates a greater chance for rubbing on the rear plastic of the bumper. No damage is visible and the fender seems to be 100% okay.
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Good thread. A rubbing "database"!

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I think it may be a tolerance thing so that some clear and some don't. You can see from the photo that mine really just touches.
Yes. I have the same setup and like Greg, no rubbing. Even as precise as modern cars are there are some tolerancing issues. Might even be a tire that is on the upper end of the overall OD tolerance range. Lots of plastic in this area does not help with final assembly tolerance.
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      04-28-2011, 02:48 AM   #13
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Hey,
New guy here with question regarding fitment and possible rubbing, etc.
Interested in some 19inch wheels, M6 OEM. Have spoken to two dealers that say they don't fit but have seen a few posts here where people had them on for summer and/or winter tires. Not sure if those were OEM or replica?

The OEM M6 167M wheels are:
F 255/40/19 et12
R 285/35/19 et17
I am looking to fit to a 2011 M3 vert (E93).

Anyone know the truth to this?
Would I have t oalter the wheel well, roll fender, etc.

Thanks
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Hey,
New guy here with question regarding fitment and possible rubbing, etc.
Interested in some 19inch wheels, M6 OEM. Have spoken to two dealers that say they don't fit but have seen a few posts here where people had them on for summer and/or winter tires. Not sure if those were OEM or replica?

The OEM M6 167M wheels are:
F 255/40/19 et12
R 285/35/19 et17
I am looking to fit to a 2011 M3 vert (E93).

Anyone know the truth to this?
Would I have t oalter the wheel well, roll fender, etc.

Thanks
Need the wheel widths (not just the offsets) to know for sure. however, both the front and rear tires are too tall. the rear might not rub, but the front certainly will at full lock.

there are guys on here who have run OEM M6 wheels no problem. I think they look awesome, btw.

with re: to rolling the fender, the M3's fenders are rolled from the factory, so there's nothing else you can do besides pulling the fender out more, which is a more serious job that requires paint work.
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Need the wheel widths (not just the offsets) to know for sure. however, both the front and rear tires are too tall. the rear might not rub, but the front certainly will at full lock.

there are guys on here who have run OEM M6 wheels no problem. I think they look awesome, btw.

with re: to rolling the fender, the M3's fenders are rolled from the factory, so there's nothing else you can do besides pulling the fender out more, which is a more serious job that requires paint work.
This is accurate.
The rears will work fine however the fronts will rub. Grab 255/35/19's and you SHOULD be OK. Some members recently have complained of issues, but the majority of members are fitting 255/35's no problem.
You could always be safe and run a 245/35 with no issues.
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Thanks all for the info.
The wheels are 19x8.5 and 19x9.5 with 12 and 17 offsets.
So tire size recs to be safe would be 245/35/19 and 285/30/19?
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Wheels w/ Offsets: Volk G2 - (F) 20 x 9 +20, (R) 20 x 11 +29

Spacers: None

Tires / Miles: Pirelli PZero Nero - (F) 255/30/20, (R) 305/25/20; New Tires

Suspension: Eibach Springs

EDC Setting: Normal/Sport

Alignment: (F) -1.3 camber (R) Left -1.6 camber, Right -1.9 camber - apparently my rear alignment was "off"

Fender Modifications: (F) None (R) None

Rubbing?: (F) Slight fender liner rub at full lock (R) None

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2nd Set of wheels on '08 M3 Sedan - same car / alignment specs listed above

Wheels w/ Offsets: Volk TE37 SL - (F) 19x9.5 +22, (R) 19x10.5 +22

Spacers: None

Tires / Miles: Yokohama Advan AD08 - (F) 275/30/19, (R) 295/30/19; New Tires

Suspension: Eibach Springs

EDC Setting: Normal/Sport

Fender Modifications: (F) None (R) dremeled the liner where it protrudes at the junction of the rear bumper and the fender.

Rubbing?: (F) Yes, both sides, kissing the liner on full lock. Both sides also barely rubbing the inner side of the upper fender.

(R) Yes, both sides, I think the outside of tires are still rubbing the plastic nub on the wheel well liner (I already dremeled it slightly) mostly on bigger bumps. Right rear also barely hitting the inner side of the upper fender.


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Went in for an alignment and Camber adjustment

Alignment: (F) -1.6 camber (pins removed) (R) -2.1 camber

Fender Modifications: (F/R) See above

Rubbing?: (F) Yes, both sides still kissing the liner on full lock. Upper fender rub has been eliminated.

(R) Slight fender rub on big dips (on front edge of rear fender 9:00 on Driver's side; 3:00 on Passenger's side) with 4 hefty guys in the car. It's slight enough that I called it a day and lived with it.

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Wheels w/ Offsets: HRE R43 (F) 18x9.5 +27, (R) 18x11 +30

Spacers: See "Rubbing" below

Tires / Miles: Michelin Pilot Super Sport - (F) 275/35/18, (R) 285/35/18; New Tires

Suspension: KW Clubsport - 3-Way

EDC Setting: NA

Alignment: Don't know but front camber is at least -2.0 degrees

Fender Modifications: (F) None (R) None

Rubbing?: (F) Yes - Front tire rubs KW spring without spacer (et27). Added 5mm spacer (resulting in et22) and still rubs very slightly but not detectable until wheel is removed - observed tire mark on spring. Added 12mm spacer (resulting in et15) and no inner rubbing but tire now rubs the fender liner at full lock (didn't rub the liner at et22).

(R) None at et30. Added 12mm spacer (resulting in et18) and still no rubbing

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2nd Set of wheels on '13 M3 Coupe - same car / alignment specs listed above

Wheels w/ Offsets: Volk TE37 (F) 18x9.5 +22, (R) 18x10.5 +22

Spacers: (F) 5mm - needed to clear KW Clubsport spring, (R) None

Tires / Miles: Hankook RS3 - (F) 275/35/18, (R) 285/35/18; New Tires

Rubbing?: (F) Yes - Front tire rubs KW spring without spacer (et22). Added 5mm spacer (resulting in et17) and no inner rubbing but tire very slightly rubs the fender liner at full lock. Not enough to cause any issues and difficult to detect any marks on fender liner.

(R) None

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3rd Set of wheels on '13 M3 Coupe - same car / alignment specs listed above

Wheels w/ Offsets: Advan TC3 (F) 18x9.5 +22, (R) 18x10.5 +25

Spacers: (F) 5mm - needed to clear KW Clubsport spring, (R) None

Tires / Miles: Hankook RS3 - (F) 275/35/18, (R) 285/35/18; New Tires

Rubbing?: (F) Yes - Front tire rubs KW spring without spacer (et22). Added 5mm spacer (resulting in et17) and no inner rubbing but tire very slightly rubs the fender liner at full lock. Not enough to cause any issues and difficult to detect any marks on fender liner.

(R) None

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4th Set of wheels on '13 M3 Coupe - same car / alignment specs listed above

Wheels w/ Offsets: Volk G25 (F) 19x9.5 +23, (R) 19x10.5 +25

Spacers: (F) 5mm - needed to clear KW Clubsport spring, (R) None

Tires / Miles: Yokohama AD08 - (F) 275/30/19, (R) 295/30/19; Used Tires

Rubbing?: (F) Yes - Front tire rubs KW spring without spacer (et23). Added 5mm spacer (resulting in et18) and no inner rubbing but tire very slightly rubs the fender liner at full lock. Not enough to cause any issues and difficult to detect any marks on fender liner.

(R) None

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5th Set of wheels on '13 M3 Coupe - same car / alignment specs listed above

Wheels w/ Offsets: BBS RGR (F) 19x9 +20, (R) 19x10 +25

Spacers: (F) None & 5mm tested, (R) None & 5mm tested

Tires / Miles: Yokohama AD08 - (F) 275/30/19, (R) 295/30/19; Used Tires

Rubbing?: (F) None without spacer but very close to Stoptech BBK. Added 5mm spacer (resulting in et15) and still no rubbing. There is a very slight rub of the fender liner at full lock with the 5mm spacer. Not enough to cause any issues and difficult to detect any marks on fender liner.

(R) None without spacer. Rubs the fender with the addition of a 5mm spacer (resulting in et20)

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6th Set of wheels on '13 M3 Coupe - same car / alignment specs listed above

Wheels w/ Offsets: HRE R40 (F) 18x10 +18, (R) 18x11 +30

Spacers: (F) None, (R) 12mm

Tires / Miles: Michelin PSS - (F) 275/35/18, (R) 285/35/18; New Tires

Rubbing?: (F) None

(R) None
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Wheels: HRE P40S - (F) 19x9.5 +22, (R) 19x10.5 +22

Spacers: None

Tires / Miles: PS2's (F) 255/35/19, (R) 295/30/19; New Tires

Suspension: KWV3

Alignment: (F) -1.5 camber (R) -1.8 camber

Fender Modifications: (F) None. (R) dremeled the liner where it protrudes at the junction of the rear bumper and the fender. Pulled fender out slightly.

Rubbing?: (F) none. (R) none.


I originally ordered these wheels for a 285 in the rear. it did not rub at all, but when I wanted to increase the rear tire size to a 295, it stuck out slightly. the PS2's are also slightly larger than the Conti ExtremeDW's that I had originally.
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Mind expanding on who pulled the fender out? I assume is a pretty extensive job.
IND did the work. I've tried my best to find evidence that it was done, but they did such a good job you can't even notice it. it wasn't cheap, but it was much less expensive than ordering new wheels.
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Tires / Miles: Michelin PS2 - (F) 255/30/20, (R) 285/30/20; New Tires
Suspension: B&G springs
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Alignment: Don't know. I should have asked the shop!
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Rubbing?: (F) None (R) None
ADDED 5mm spacers all around = slight rubbing on sharp low speed turns.

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