Looking for an honest and upfront dealer.

[JerseyJules]

Greetings all,


Let me preface by saying up intil 2 days ago I was BMW hater and a total AMG fan boy. What changed is I recently test drove a few M850I's and I think I have been converted and am now shopping 8 series Grand Coupes.
I don't know if this is the right forum to ask this but I'm looking for an honest and transparent car dealer in or around the NJ area. I am willing to have a car shipped to me for the right deal however.
I'm looking for a straight shooter Price, tax and tags dealer that won't try and illegally force dealer fluff add ons like Nitrogen filled tires on me. I'm getting very discouraged with the way these dealers conduct business around here. They advertise a low price, get you In and all of a sudden there are 4 to7k in nonsense fees added in after wasting your time.

Please help me join the dark side.
(Also is the extra money from 850i to M8 justified?)

[chassis]

Best wishes in your search for an honest and upfront car dealer.

How many cars have you purchased in the past?

[JerseyJules]

Originally Posted by chassis

Best wishes in your search for an honest and upfront car dealer.

How many cars have you purchased in the past?

Quite a few and it usually involves me ripping up contracts and walking out.Lexus was the easiest so far.

[RockCrusher]

You might find a suitable BMW dealer near you in this thread:

https://g87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2092840

I don't know where in NJ you are and how convenient these dealers would be but I found these...

Flemington BMW (Flemington, NJ)

Paul Miller BMW (Wayne, NJ)

BMW of Westchester (White Plains, NY)

Rallye BMW (Westbury, NY)

And there are more. But you might want to read the thread as some dealers on this list came in for some negative comments.

When I was shopping for a new M2 launch car I found one at a dealer about 200 miles away. Talked to the salesman and he submitted a price to me which included some extras. Tint. Nitrogen filled tires. Some door guards (?). I declined all. At first he was insistent but I stressed these options were a deal killer. And I had impressed upon him I was just not calling around for fun but was a serious shopper and for the right car at the right price (essentially I had "resigned" myself to paying MSRP) I was a buyer.

As it was all the extras came off and with some more back and forth to ensure all the blanks on the quote were filled in I put a deposit on the car and then a month or so later when the dealer called me I drove up and completed the purchase.

[BMWCCA1]

There's nothing illegal about dealer add-ons. If you don't want any, just tell them that up-front. If they tell you they're already installed or they can't take off the charge, just go elsewhere. It can't be that difficult where you live. At least you don't have to travel 150-miles to find just one dealership.
Good Luck.

[DanG]

Here is the list of the top dealers in the US. There are New Jersey dealers on the list. I would try one of them. https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...ht=Top+dealers

[Westside Guy]

Originally Posted by DanG

Here is the list of the top dealers in the US. There are New Jersey dealers on the list. I would try one of them. https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...ht=Top+dealers

There are many hidden factors that go into being included on that list and many posters have questioned why certain dealers are even there and others aren’t.

Having lived in NYC for most of my life and having many friends that lived in Long Island I know that Rallye BMW (Westbury, NY) has always had an excellent reputation.

[nerdogray]

I live in TN and used a Flemington, NJ dealer to purchase mine for a PDC pickup in Spartanburg. It was a good, no-bullshit experience. They didn't even try that hard on the back-end to push the extra stuff like warranty. Michael O'Connor was my CA. He's been doing it a long time... one of the old guard. Not one of these whippersnappers that doesn't even know their own product.

I hate that DAO crap. I once talked to a sales rep when I was looking to upgrade my Civic to a new one, and they had the nerve to try and tell me that their special wheel nuts were already installed and couldn't be removed (when I could see online the car had not even been delivered to them yet).

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by JerseyJules

Greetings all,


Let me preface by saying up intil 2 days ago I was BMW hater and a total AMG fan boy. What changed is I recently test drove a few M850I's and I think I have been converted and am now shopping 8 series Grand Coupes.
I don't know if this is the right forum to ask this but I'm looking for an honest and transparent car dealer in or around the NJ area. I am willing to have a car shipped to me for the right deal however.
I'm looking for a straight shooter Price, tax and tags dealer that won't try and illegally force dealer fluff add ons like Nitrogen filled tires on me. I'm getting very discouraged with the way these dealers conduct business around here. They advertise a low price, get you In and all of a sudden there are 4 to7k in nonsense fees added in after wasting your time.

Please help me join the dark side.
(Also is the extra money from 850i to M8 justified?)

Can't offer any opinion on the question of 850i vs. M8.

However, I was my local BMW dealer a while back and spotted this car.

https://www.bmwofnwa.com/inventory/n...e0c05rcn50588/

Tempting.

But I have a 2024 230xi and a 2023 M2 and have to struggle a bit to come up with excuses to use either car. Hard to justify getting an M8 Competition even if I would trade in both cars and just have the M8 going forward.

[JerseyJules]

Originally Posted by BMWCCA1

There's nothing illegal about dealer add-ons. If you don't want any, just tell them that up-front. If they tell you they're already installed or they can't take off the charge, just go elsewhere. It can't be that difficult where you live. At least you don't have to travel 150-miles to find just one dealership.
Good Luck.

It's absolutely illegal for them to force them on you. Read the FTC guidelines. If you say no, and theu say it's already on the car and they won't take it off and force you to buy it, it's against FTC regulations.

[tturedraider]

I don’t know anyone close to you. Since you mentioned traveling or shipping my recommendation would be Adrian Avila at BMW of Gwinnett Place in Atlanta. Adrian has been the go to CA in the south since I first joined Bimmerfest almost twenty years ago.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrian-a...medium=ios_app

Bimmerpost won’t let me post a direct link to BMW of Gwinnett Place

[chassis]

A suggestion to avoid the usual dealer BS is to buy sight unseen from a dealer out of your area. I bought a Cayenne sight unseen from a dealer 2,400 miles away. Great transaction, no regrets and would do it again.

This requires you to know the target model in detail, including all of the options. Search online for a car that checks all of your boxes. Negotiate a deal, ask the sales person to email you an invoice, and wire the money.

A BMW SA in a previous city I lived sold cars to buyers all over the country. He seemed to be pretty successful selling M8Cs on a regular basis.

[Westside Guy]

JerseyJules, have you considered contacting a broker?

[JerseyJules]

Originally Posted by Westside Guy

JerseyJules, have you considered contacting a broker?

No. Not once.

[JerseyJules]

Originally Posted by chassis

A suggestion to avoid the usual dealer BS is to buy sight unseen from a dealer out of your area. I bought a Cayenne sight unseen from a dealer 2,400 miles away. Great transaction, no regrets and would do it again. .

Was the savings worth the shipping?

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

I don’t know anyone close to you. Since you mentioned traveling or shipping my recommendation would be Adrian Avila at BMW of Gwinnett Place in Atlanta. Adrian has been the go to CA in the south since I first joined Bimmerfest almost twenty years ago.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrian-a...medium=ios_app

Bimmerpost won’t let me post a direct link to BMW of Gwinnett Place

Originally Posted by JerseyJules

Was the savings worth the shipping?

Just something to keep in mind. You don’t have to ship. You can do a Saturday delivery and drive home on Saturday afternoon and Sunday or you could take a day or two off from work. For me, my schedule is very flexible and I have traveled for all of my Bimmers except one and picked them up and driven home. From Atlanta to Newark is only a 13 hour drive.

Another excellent option if you are going to order is to take Performance Center Delivery in South Carolina. That’s only ten hours from Newark. Just using Newark as an example. Doing this would allow you to buy from any dealer anywhere in the country.
https://bmwperformancecenter.com/delivery/

[chassis]

Originally Posted by JerseyJules

Was the savings worth the shipping?

There were no savings. I was looking for a car that checked the boxes for me at a price I was willing to pay. 2,400 mile uncovered shared/non-dedicated transport was approx $1400 so it clearly added to the total transaction price. If you are looking for an M8 I argue that transport cost is immaterial in your case.

Porsches are nearly one-off vehicles because of the level of customization Porsche allows. This means finding a car with the right options requires searching nationwide. finder.porsche.com makes this achievable.

[ppointer]

Very happy with my dealer in Columbus, Ohio. Kelly BMW. Ordered my '22 G30 through them. Did the whole order process and most of the paperwork remotely. I hope to get a G61 or G99 from them next year.

[eliphil]

Try circle bmw Jim hirsch 7327035196. He’s a good guy and their service is pretty good.

[pbonsalb]

As for M850 vs M8, it really depends on how much the highest performance possible is a priority. I chose an M5 over an M550i, but I am willing to compromise towards performance. Here is an experienced and knowledgeable guy who has had M5s and now has an M850i. https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2098241

[RigaTony1982]

Originally Posted by JerseyJules

No. Not once.

Used a broker for my Z4 and wife’s X3. Easiest transactions I’ve ever done. No BS. Knew the discount right before we even started the process. No add ons at all. Tier 1 rates with no markup. When we picked the cars up we were in and out in 1/2 hour.

Edit: Broker I used is advertising M850i GC with 8% of MSRP for East Coast and Midwest. On top of that discount, there’s a $2K loyalty incentive or $3K lease cash

[Mason Hatcher]

Originally Posted by JerseyJules

It's absolutely illegal for them to force them on you. Read the FTC guidelines. If you say no, and theu say it's already on the car and they won't take it off and force you to buy it, it's against FTC regulations.

how are they going to force you to buy it?