e92 or M235i?

[SpinneyM]

So what do you guys think pick up a used e92 or just order a new M235i? new interior new body style new nav unit or the 2011 newer M3 a much better car and worth sacrificing the newer technologies and interior design? looking for some input thanks guys!

[gorg-0-mish]

Originally Posted by SpinneyM

So what do you guys think pick up a used e92 or just order a new M235i? new interior new body style new nav unit or the 2011 newer M3 a much better car and worth sacrificing the newer technologies and interior design? looking for some input thanks guys!

E92 no doubt, the M235i isn't even worth a second glance.

[///WeissBisBlau]

Hmmm...well I do like the look of the new M235i, and if you're set on brand new (although there may still possibly be some new e92 M3s at dealerships out there somewhere--you might just have to get it in mint green!) then your choice is made. Personally, though, I wouldn't take anything for my e92 m just at the moment. I love everything about it! If you can get a reasonable deal on an e92, then that's what I'd do. It's a future classic, I believe. I just love every single time I have the privilege of climbing behind the wheel! I doubt you'll find too many dissenting opinions on this board. Good luck!

[jphughan]

You know there's a real M2 coming down the pipeline, right?

But even so, there's absolutely nothing out or even coming out in the next few years that I'd rather have than my M3. The new Z06 MAYBE, though the extra running costs at the track (on top of having a car payment again) and decreased practicality would have to be factored in.

The E9x M3 is a future piece of history and plain and simple something truly special IF you'll drive it in the manner it was designed to be driven. If you will, then you should absolutely get one. You'll be reminiscing about it long after you no longer have it.

[w.eric]

why settle for non-M?

[deletedelete]

e92. Too many bugs to work out on first year releases and it will be a better and cheaper market a few years from now. Enjoy the e92 now then switch it up in a few years time.

[SpinneyM]

I just feel the M235i is just as fast as the e92 if not faster and more tuning potential with the turbo. I know there is an M2 coming but dont feel i can wait that long

[Sandye90m3]

Originally Posted by SpinneyM

I just feel the M235i is just as fast as the e92 if not faster and more tuning potential with the turbo. I know there is an M2 coming but dont feel i can wait that long

Straight line speed, is what makes up 20% of the car, what about the other 80%

[Redline2894]

E92

[Ezio]

the E92 looks better. comes with a more badass engine. doesnt have the crap new electric steering.

honestly i do not understand what people see in this M235. i mean come on look at the car. its a chick car. i dont care how fast it is.

[nicebraces]

+1 E92 M3 all the way ... WIN

[///WeissBisBlau]

There was a comparison between these exact 2 somewhere on this board that I read, last week I think. Basically the realization was e92 M3 was still the king in the corners, and still better (although only marginally so) in the straight.

[mjposner]

Obviously a partisan board, but here is my analysis (and I am in the same boat).

Pros: Better gas Mileage, full warranty, free maintenance, better torque, better electronics, lighter, smaller, possibly lower insurance costs, 8 speed auto is pretty good, extended warranty down the line much cheaper

Cons: Won't handle as well, not as good looking, less prestige, interior not as nice, less steering feel, poser M, no carbon fiber roof.

Let me throw a third option. A loaded 228 with a six speed does 0-60 in 5.4 seconds, weighs less than the M235, costs $6,000 less, and for about $500 in a btune will likely be nearly as fast.

[m3cp]

The one with the gloriously high revving v8

[BobS]

If it was a 235is would we be having this conversation? Don't fall for the marketing gimmick, the m235 is a nice car but it's not a m car. BMW has decided to ditch the (is) badge and start whoring out the m logo....and it's working.

Test drive both, you'll see the difference. The m3 has a dct, high revving v8 that is one of the sickest engines BMW has built and the balance, steering, suspension in the m3 is
worlds ahead of the m235.

I've had a FBO n54 335 that was very quick and the m3 is on a totally different level. Btw, a FBO m3 is much quicker than people give it credit, that's really all you need on the street (says the guy with a supercharger hah)

I don't think you can go wrong with a m235, but I wouldn't pass on a m3

[nicebraces]

Article: The BMW M235i is Not a Real M Car

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2014/4/1...-M-Car-7719646

[4corners]

Originally Posted by Prowess Symphony

e92. Too many bugs to work out on first year releases and it will be a better and cheaper market a few years from now. Enjoy the e92 now then switch it up in a few years time.

Bugs in the first year of vehicles is a myth with modern engineering. Bad engineering yes, but not bugs.

[jphughan]

Originally Posted by SpinneyM

I just feel the M235i is just as fast as the e92 if not faster and more tuning potential with the turbo. I know there is an M2 coming but dont feel i can wait that long

See, this is the problem with deciding what to buy based on specs on paper. Which car is "faster" tells you absolutely nothing about how enjoyable it is to drive. If you mean "faster" only in a straight line, that's even more true, unless that's truly all you want from your car. But just look at all the threads with people who previously owned tuned 335i's that were "faster" before getting an M3, and see how they feel after the switch. But even if the M235i is "faster" on a road course (which I doubt, especially without an LSD), unless you're already an experienced track driver, the difference between the two would be overwhelmingly masked by the fact that as an unskilled driver, you couldn't get either of them anywhere near their potential.

I have a feeling that if you actually took each one on a test drive, it would become very clear very quickly which one you'd rather have.

[4corners]

For real M owners, the M badge should not be on anything but an M car. We all paid for that badge. M235i is fine. But not the three color M badge.

[jphughan]

Originally Posted by 4corners

Bugs in the first year of vehicles is a myth with modern engineering. Bad engineering yes, but not bugs.

Distinction without a difference. It doesn't matter to the customer whether the cause is a design error, a manufacturing error, or a supplier screwup. It's still a problem that the customer won't want to put up with.

And bugs don't exist in modern engineering? I guess it depends on what you consider a bug. I would consider all of the above a bug, and all of them definitely still exist.

[jphughan]

Originally Posted by 4corners

For real M owners, the M badge should not be on anything but an M car. We all paid for that badge. M235i is fine. But not the three color M badge.

Sure I personally think that there are certain "M" cars now that don't really fit the established M mold, but I don't get all dogmatic about it. After all, there are people who like older M cars and claim that newer M cars aren't real M cars too because they're heavy/V8/AWD/turbo/too comfy/whatever. But that's a meaningless assertion anyway, as discussed in the "Myth of the real M car" article -- and that article doesn't even cover cars like the 1M or X5M.

I actually paid for the car's performance at the track and enjoyment on the road, not the badge. The badge can go where it wants; I just want (and know I have) a car with a certain performance and enjoyment profile. I guess I'm not a real M owner. I never realized that the real owners were the ones who paid up just to have a badge so they could claim to be real M owners. No wonder those real M owners feel threatened that the badge is now being applied to less expensive cars. I'm sure glad that I as an apparent poser M owner don't have to deal with that nonsense.

[BobS]

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...2014-bmw-m235i

Another good article.