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To end this charade ruff seems to enjoy so much I'm quoting his post from another thread:
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I also think the benefits of the V6 are being overblow. Will the V6 beat the footprint shown here? I doubt that. A small displacement V8 can be a very compact solution. |
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09-11-2009, 08:00 AM | #289 |
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Congrats ruff! I honestly would not have bet on you ever actually going through with it. Not because I thought you were all talk (you obviously wanted a car) but because of the "conspicious consumption" piece you touched on in your thread there. That was always clearly a source of conflict for you. Sounds like it still is. But at least now you have a source of automotive bliss to go along with all that worry. I see you decided on the 6MT. I'm sure its a great car no matter the gearbox - you can't go wrong either way. Enjoy that bad-boy. I suspect it will be a very long time before you even think of replacing it. You'll still remain king rabble rouser of M3Post in my book , but now at least you have the stripes on your sleeve. Welcome to world of overpriced performance machines, old buddy. |
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09-11-2009, 02:03 PM | #291 | |
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If BMW go for any other format than a Vee I will eat my hat. |
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09-11-2009, 04:42 PM | #293 | |
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As for the number of cylinders, well I can't disagree that a similar capacity V8 wouldn't be as good but it would be more complicated and a little longer. There is a minimum cylinder capacity that works efficiently and probably the McLaren is approaching that figure, but if BMW dropped there's down to 3L then I would have thought that a V6 would have been the better option. Only time will tell but I was sure that BMW have openly said that it will be a 6 cyl engine next time round. |
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09-11-2009, 08:01 PM | #295 | |
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I'd rate the best V8s as 10/10 on engine/exhaust sound. The best V6 as 8/6, and the best H6 as 9/9. Good day. |
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09-12-2009, 11:28 AM | #296 |
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^ bc they have what's new now and whatever is new is better, right? lol
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09-12-2009, 01:39 PM | #297 |
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Gotta agree with this, whatever is better is better!!
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09-12-2009, 01:57 PM | #299 |
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Oh boy, here we go...
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09-12-2009, 02:02 PM | #300 |
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Reading this thread gave me a headache.
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09-12-2009, 03:17 PM | #301 |
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No, it's not. The new engine won't be based on the N54.
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I have been reading a bit about the new X6 M, I know, I know, heresy for the M division according to the purists. Well not in my opinion. Anyway, we can confine posts specifically about the X M vehicles to those threads. The tidbit about the X6 M's S63 engine and turbo system that I felt was relevant to the whole discussion about the new M3 engine is this, BMWs "Cylinder Block Comprehensive Exhaust Manifold". This is (one of) BMWs new and patented systems for reducing turbo lag. I've not driven the X6 M but what I have heard from multiple reviews is that its turbo lag compares very favorably to other turbos. Combine this with one or more of the following - higher rpm turbos, variable vane turbos, KERS - and BMW might just be able to make the new M3 lag free.
Basically the CCM system works by feeding each scroll on each bank of the twin bank/twin scroll turbo system with exhaust gas from pistons on opposite cylinder banks. This accomplishes a more even series of pressure pulses on the turbos and reduces lag. I can't say I am quite clear on exactly how/why this reduces lag but according to BMW and reviews it does. A very detailed description is provided here. This of course begs the question as to how to layout such a system on a V6, you can't accomplish the exact same thing with a twin scroll/twin bank in a V6...
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09-12-2009, 07:01 PM | #304 | |
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This thread should honestly be closed at this point, its stupid to even argue about such things. SOOOOOO much can change in 2-3 years, and at the end of the day. IF, in 2-3 years you don't want the NEW M3, then keep your E9x and enjoy it. It will always be great, much like the E46 will always be great IMO. But the new M3 will just be better, I don't care how you put it. It will be better, they are not going to go backwards in technology, performance etc..
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09-12-2009, 09:18 PM | #305 | |
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But as the writer said, it'll NEVER match the throttle response of a NA engine, and even less a NA M engine, since the individual TBs make it even more immediate. |
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09-13-2009, 03:50 AM | #307 | |
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How that would work in a 6 cylinder count is any one's guess but a mounting the turbos between the banks helps keep flow pressure at the maximum. |
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