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03-09-2007, 07:36 PM | #1 |
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Interesting facts and speculation from Edmunds
OK since until BMW releases some official info basically all we have is gossip. This article seems well written and most things they say just make sense with what we know so far. Surely some mags and websites have better insider contacts than most of us, so maybe much of this is true.
Since I am straving for some REAL information and this seems as good as I have seen I am posting it.
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How close is close for that ZSG & will it have any bugs is the problem...I really hope this all close to right but maybe a little off on HP in that we might actually get more I hope, but I'll be happy if nothing changes from this list...
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03-09-2007, 08:44 PM | #4 |
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Good find Swamp
Definitly the most informative and best article I've read thus far. Makes me feel good that the final production car will likley resemble the "concept" we saw in Geneva.
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good find. the article and video in the link were great.
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03-09-2007, 11:31 PM | #6 |
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Even if the M3 is stated to have 414 HP, most likely it will dyno at more than that. They want to keep a decent delta between the M5's 500 HP and the M3's #. Keep in mind that the M5 really makes more like 520-530 HP, so figure the real figure for the M3 will be 430-440 HP.
Automobile online says that SMG is dead and the DSG will be coming out at, or shortly after launch. See this from automobile mag online http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_sh...mw_m3_concept/ . . . "There's no question about it, the M3 is one of only a handful of cars on just about every enthusiast's dream list for the last twenty years or so. The reason for that is simple: It uses the BMW 3-series-the best sports sedan in the business-as a starting point, and trims the fat even farther. Since the first M3 debuted in 1988, it has grown in just about every way, and the new M3 is no exception. It has twice the amount of cylinders as the first M3 and more than twice the horsepower. Luckily, it doesn't weigh twice as much weight. That means this M3 will be the fastest one yet. We're still waiting for BMW to release final numbers, but under the hood resides a 4.0-liter V-8 that we expect to make about 415 horsepower. That's 115 more horses than the twin-turbo 335i, which is already almost as fast as the last generation M3. It used to be that quick cars made 115 horsepower - not 115 more than other ridiculously fast cars. Here's to wretched excess! Sign us up. The car you see in these photographs is being shown in Geneva as a concept, but expect the production car to look the same. Changes relative to the coupe include the power dome hood, unique front and rear fascias, rear diffusers, a carbon fiber roof, and the vented front plastic fenders. In fact, the only body parts the M3 shares with the standard 3-series coupe are the angel-eye headlights, taillights, doors, deck lid, and glass. The nineteen-inch, sixteen-spoke forged alloy wheels should make it to production, and we expect they will be connected to the high-revving V-8 by way of either a conventional six-speed manual transmission or a new twin-clutch unit a la DSG. SMG is, thankfully, dead. But the M3 is very much alive."
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i hope the list would be very close to reality, i dont mind extra 15 hp as well
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There seems to be alot of confusion around transmission spec on the new M3, standard manual, SMG, DSG etc. Do you have any inside knowledge on this? Cheers, and thanks in advance Head |
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03-10-2007, 05:23 AM | #11 | |
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That's the most accurate information. So we start with the manual and the DSG will follow (maybe it's ready for the US launch). Maybe Scott can comfirm this, then we have real inside knowledge... Best regards, south |
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03-10-2007, 08:20 AM | #12 |
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Agreed. From the concept photos, and even from that shot of the gauge cluster from the mule of a few months ago, the redline looks to be at 8250, In the concept it looks like the yellow zone starts at 8k. You cannot quite see the red, but it must be over 8000. Why no one shot the tach clearly is beyond me. All of that of course is proof that the photogs at the show are not enthusiasts!
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Agreed. I'd be shocked it the redline was anything less than 8,250RPM. Also, if Edmund's numbers are right, how can the new M3 have less torque than the 335i? If I recall, the 335i was dynoing with right around 300 lb. tq. And the M3 has 295? I'm expecting numbers from BMW to be about: 414HP; 329 lb tq.
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Over 300 is still conservative!
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E60 M5 is at 384, multiply by 4/5 = 307. So again if no improvements to the engine since that was designed (YEARS AGO) we should still see 307 or so. I suspect we will get DGI as well which will help torque. Shame on BMW if we don't get it, RS4 has had it for some time as well as other much less sporty cars. I'd bet DGI would surely push things over 310! Any other minor tweaks to the engine (intake, software, VANOS, etc) should get us to 315-320. My conclusion - definitely don't worry about sub 300! |
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Close up of what
I'll be there toward the end and will be taking as many 8MP close ups as I can. Any requests? I am definitely going to hold my camera under the car to see the underside. I really want to know if the entire underbody is covered. Well not as much as I want some real information but I am curious about that.
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Steering wheel (make sur eits an M button) redline there were 2 other things but i just forgot at the time lol
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The redline is going to be above 8000 for sure. If you look at the Geneva pictures, the tach is yellow at 8000. This means that 8000 is close to redline, but not the actual redline. 250-500 rpms above the yellow would be the actual redline. I am guessing around 8500. I don't think it will have less than 420 hp or 300 lb/tq either. Those are the minimum numbers. Ideally we will see around 420-430hp and 300-310 lb/tq.
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