Lightweight (CRT type) model + updated competition package possible for E92 M3

[duk]

the 4.4 liter engine won't come to the US

it'll be some zcp+ version

[Uli_HH]

I'm just a little confused!

The E92 M3 Coupe CRT is already availiable as an 2012 calender year car? Like the E90 M3 CRT cars like this should be an limited and last edition of the E92 ... produced as last cars of the production line. Could that meen, that the E92 M3 production ends already this year, in an very short 2013 product year ??? This (production ends 2012!) was also posted in this forum earlier.

Greets Uli_HH

[aajami]

Originally Posted by Uli_HH

I'm just a little confused!

The E92 M3 Coupe CRT is already availiable as an 2012 calender year car? Like the E90 M3 CRT cars like this should be an limited and last edition of the E92 ... produced as last cars of the production line. Could that meen, that the E92 M3 production ends already this year, in an very short 2013 product year ??? This (production ends 2012!) was also posted in this forum earlier.

Greets Uli_HH

It will probably introduced in September (July production) of calendar year 2012 as a MY2013 model, making it the last year of E92 production.

[Uli_HH]

Originally Posted by aajami

It will probably introduced in September (July production) of calendar year 2012 as a MY2013 model, making it the last year of E92 production.

Okay but in the case of the E90 M3 CRT these 67 examples are the last produced/delivered E90 M3 overall !!!

[Wideboy]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

As this will be the last ever BMW M3 Coupe. With the name continuing with the Sedan only.

watt? are u sh1t*ing me??

[hwelvaar]

Originally Posted by armyav8tor

I was under the impression that the 4 series is going to be the 4 door sports sedan, kinda like a 3 series based CLS. I also don't think they would kill the 3 series coupe but only time will tell.

No, a 4-door coupe will be called a Gran Coupe, just as with the 4-doors 6-series for which there have been many spy-shots already.

So you'll have a 3 series, which is a sedan (obviously with 4-doors).

Next to that, you'll have a 4 series coupe (2 doors) and a 4 series gran coupe (4 doors).

At least, that's what I understand.



Audi is doing the same.
A4, A6 and A8= sedan (= 3 series, 5 series, 7 series)
A5 and A7 = coupe (= 4 series and 6 series)
A5 sportback and A7 sportback = coupe with 4 doors (= 4 series gran and 6 series gran coupe)

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by hwelvaar

No, a 4-door coupe will be called a Gran Coupe, just as with the 4-doors 6-series for which there have been many spy-shots already.

Not just spy shots - BMW already released official photos and information about it.

So you'll have a 3 series, which is a sedan (obviously with 4-doors).

Next to that, you'll have a 4 series coupe (2 doors) and a 4 series gran coupe (4 doors).

At least, that's what I understand.

Yes.

3 = sedan, touring, Grand Touring (GT)
4 = coupe, cabriolet, Gran Coupe

It's just like the 5/6 lineup. And of course, there are also the respective M versions, which as we know will not be offered in all six possible body styles. No M GTs (at least not this generation), and probably no M tourings either (this generation - unless they surprise us with an M3 touring ). Well, that is, for proper M vehicles. We may very well see "M Performance" offerings accross the board.

Oh, and as Jason said, this naming change is all still preliminary and unconfirmed. But as I said in another recent post, with this many models on offer, a breakup of the products into differently model groups seems likely.

(I've found myself echoing this a lot lately, so if you've read other posts of mine, forgive me for being repetitive.)

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by aajami

It will probably introduced in September (July production) of calendar year 2012 as a MY2013 model, making it the last year of E92 production.

IMHO M3 "CSL" will show up in spring 2013, with 2013 being the final calendar year that will see E92/E93 production. We should see internal documents showing both SOP, and crucially, EOP months for MY2013 M3 production (and just about all other BMW products for that matter) in just three of four months. If I had to guess, I would say MY2013 E92/E92 3 series will go 12 months or so, and E92/E93 M3 perhaps a couple less.

[vladberca]

BMW will have also a 2 series coupe, so the 4 series naming makes sense.
We will have also X4, another proof for this changing.
For sure BMW wants a little bit from the E Class Coupe market too

[stefan]

Originally Posted by Franken///M

If they come out will any new parts hopefully we will be able to purchase them. It would be pretty stupid if they don't sell them separately.

Indeed! Better bring your cheque books gentlemen.

[James T. Kirk]

Let's get our 3's, 4's and M's straight here...

3-Series...
1) Sedan, 4-door (F30) (with Li option in Asia)
2) Wagon, 5-door (F31)
3) Grand Turismo, 5-door hatchback (similar to the controversial 5-Series GT)

4-Series...
1) 2-door Coupe (F32)
2) 2-door Cabrio, hardtop convertible (F33)
3) 4-door Gran Coupe (picture below)

M3...
- 4-door Sedan (F80)
- 5-door Wagon (F81) (Most likely never to reach the U.S.)

M4
- 2-door Coupe (F82)
- 2-door Convertible (F83)

It is highly unlikely that the M-Division would go so far as to make a M4 Gran Coupe with 4-doors.
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[southlight]

Originally Posted by James T. Kirk

It is highly unlikely that the M-Division would go so far as to make a M4 Gran Coupe with 4-doors.

Well, there'll be an M6 Gran Coupe so why not also an M4 Gran Coupe?


Best regards,
south

[Robo Squirrel]

hmmm.....should i wait to order now???

i thought june was it for the e92.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by James T. Kirk

It is highly unlikely that the M-Division would go so far as to make a M4 Gran Coupe with 4-doors.

On the contrary I think it is actually very likely. Much more likely than an F81 M3 touring, IMHO.

[James T. Kirk]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

On the contrary I think it is actually very likely. Much more likely than an F81 M3 touring, IMHO.

If you're right, then that would be Much Ado About Nothing in the sense that the M-Division would be throwing away the revered M3 monicker for the M4 Coupe on some whacky German desire to be perfectly organized with their coding.

Odds Sedans. Evens Coupes including 4-door Coupes.

So then they'll have sporty 2-door and 4-door M4's, leaving the legendary icon of the M3 in the dust as the chubby 4-door step-child.

Somebody stop these people!
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[aajami]

Originally Posted by James T. Kirk

It is highly unlikely that the M-Division would go so far as to make a M4 Gran Coupe with 4-doors.
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Scott has more or less confirmed one (as much as Scott confirms anything). Initially, BMW was toying with the idea of introducing an F80 GT M3, but seems to be opting for an F82 GC M4 instead.

[aajami]

Originally Posted by stefan

Indeed! Better bring your cheque books gentlemen.

Negative. Scott has also said that all parts will be VIN-locked. I wholeheartedly disagree with this decision, as BMW is leaving loads of money on the table for tuners to pick up. As I mentioned in another thread, Porsche doesn't VIN-lock parts from their high end cars, and you don't see Porsche owners crying about lack of exclusivity on rennlist or 6speedonline.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by aajami

Negative. Scott has also said that all parts will be VIN-locked. I wholeheartedly disagree with this decision, as BMW is leaving loads of money on the table for tuners to pick up. As I mentioned in another thread, Porsche doesn't VIN-lock parts from their high end cars, and you don't see Porsche owners crying about lack of exclusivity on rennlist or 6speedonline.

Excellent point. I wonder if we can petition Matt Russel for this.

[Tobbep]

Originally Posted by James T. Kirk

Let's get our 3's, 4's and M's straight here...

3-Series...
1) Sedan, 4-door (F30) (with Li option in Asia)
2) Wagon, 5-door (F31)
3) Grand Turismo, 5-door hatchback (similar to the controversial 5-Series GT)

4-Series...
1) 2-door Coupe (F32)
2) 2-door Cabrio, hardtop convertible (F33)
3) 4-door Gran Coupe (picture below)

M3...
- 4-door Sedan (F80)
- 5-door Wagon (F81) (Most likely never to reach the U.S.)

M4
- 2-door Coupe (F82)
- 2-door Convertible (F83)

It is highly unlikely that the M-Division would go so far as to make a M4 Gran Coupe with 4-doors.
.

So they are planning on keeping the M3 as a Sedan and the M4 as a Coupe. Why then are they thinking of a 4 door M4? I thought the whole reason for the M4 is to keep it a Coupe (2 doors). Are they truly loosing their mind at BMW?

[kyleb350]

I'm fine with not getting the cars with the 4.4L. Just give us access to the parts.

[Titanium Silver]

I want that CF front lip. Hope it's available after the car drops.

[US///M3]

Originally Posted by aajami

This would be great. I would love to get the BMW Performance seats, but they don't play nice with the occupancy sensors heere in the US. Plug and play seats from the CRT would be awesome.

And if BMW doesn't release this special edition E92 in the US, please beg/cajole/plead with/bribe your colleagues to not VIN-lock the parts, so that anyone who wants to retrofit can. Countless people would line up to hand you their money if you opened up the GTS and CRT catalogs.

3ven if the seats were made available,they're gonna be ridiculously expensive. I wont line up to get another BMW butt f in.