chipped 335i as fast as M3?

[Ken37.73]

Originally Posted by knifegun

Trust me....if I could not get an M3, I would be VERY happy with a 335i w/o mods. But I would never trade down. I would rather go a complete different direction like just getting a 550.

Spot on with that.

[Driver72]

Going from a M3 to a 550 would be trading down.
Same with going from a tuned 335i to a 550, that's trading down in every performance aspect. Heck a stock 335i can run a bit in front of a 550i and out handle it too.

So unless you guys are referring to luxury or space, going to a 550i would be going below a 335i from a true driver's/enthusiast point of view.
You'd be better off getting a 535i and lightly modding it. Easily outrun and out handle the 550i, but have the extra space and luxury you may desire.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Going from a M3 to a 550 would be trading down.
Same with going from a tuned 335i to a 550, that's trading down in every performance aspect. Heck a stock 335i can run a bit in front of a 550i and out handle it too.

+1

So unless you guys are referring to luxury or space,

... or badge/status/pimpability/bling-factor ...

going to a 550i would be going below a 335i from a true driver's/enthusiast point of view.

[emthree4me]

I think I'll get more respect from a stock 550i than a all out modded 335i too!

but what the heck, respect is earn and not bought

Ghee! I think I just contradicted myself

hahaha

[addy85]

Originally Posted by emthree4me

I think I'll get more respect from a stock 550i than a all out modded 335i too!

but what the heck, respect is earn and not bought

Ghee! I think I just contradicted myself

hahaha

[KonigsTiger]

Originally Posted by trah23

Is this true, because if it is bmw fucked up big time, your paying over 65k for an M3, when a dude who payed like 44k is just as fast?!?!?!?!!?

Am i missin something here?

This is rediculous if true, i freakin put down a deposit (only 1K however) but the damn car isnt even faster than 335i

If you believe that is all there is to the M3, I suggest you save the money and get the 335. Remember, a chipped 335 is just as fast as the M3 (or about the same) and as fast as a Porsche 911 S4 or an Aston Martin Vantage, etc... You should also consider the 135, that is even better.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by emthree4me

you said the operative word, yeah I agree its a regular car

Originally Posted by emthree4me

Ive only been in the forum for a short while, but seems like loyalist has to deal with alot of personal deamons.
As I've said in the other thread loyal!
Trade In that 335 of yours if you are having alot of difficulities realizing a 335is will never be a M3.
As others have said if you bought a car to just keep on modding it to make it feel like the other, then you bought the Wrong Car.
Deal with it and suck it up man ad stop making M3post a misearable place to live in

oh, hi there.

[BMW-driver]

Hi,

M3 vs. stock 135i;

- 0-60?: M3 wins (sometimes close to call)
- 0-200km/u: M3 wins (huge difference)
- accelaration?: 135i wins (like VI/V/VI 60-100, 100-120, .. etc)
- topspeed?: even (both limited to 250kmh)
- track?: M3 wins (big gap)
- sound?: M3 wins (much better)

M3 vs. mod. 135i (example ACS1.35i Schnitzer 360ps and suspension)

- 0-60?: 135i wins
- 0-200km/u: M3 wins (sometimes close to call)
- accelaration?: 135i wins (huge difference)
- topspeed: 135i wins (only because topspeed limiter is removed)
- track?: M3 wins (small gap)
- sound?: M3 wins (much better)

Daily difference:
The 135i ACS has always power, at any rev. The M3 must be above 5000 rpm. to have it 'alive'..

[southlight]

Originally Posted by acs1.35i

M3 vs. stock 135i;

- accelaration?: 135i wins (like VI/V/VI 60-100, 100-120, .. etc)

Not really, M3 is still faster in most flexibility tests.

- topspeed?: even (both limited to 250kmh)

Not exactly, 135i is limited to real 250kph, M3 to real 258kph. No big difference, but enough to overtake on German Autobahn.

M3 vs. mod. 135i (example ACS1.35i Schnitzer 360ps and suspension)

- 0-60?: 135i wins

Here is where the sometimes-too-close-to-call comment were appropriate...

- track?: M3 wins (small gap)

Autobild Sportscars tested both cars on the Nürburgring F1 track. I wouldn't call that a small gap:
M3:__ 1.44:86
ACS1: 1.46:50


Best regards, south

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by acs1.35i

Hi,

M3 vs. stock 135i;

- 0-60?: M3 wins (sometimes close to call)
- 0-200km/u: M3 wins (huge difference)
- accelaration?: 135i wins (like VI/V/VI 60-100, 100-120, .. etc)
- topspeed?: even (both limited to 250kmh)
- track?: M3 wins (big gap)
- sound?: M3 wins (much better)

M3 vs. mod. 135i (example ACS1.35i Schnitzer 360ps and suspension)

- 0-60?: 135i wins
- 0-200km/u: M3 wins (sometimes close to call)
- accelaration?: 135i wins (huge difference)
- topspeed: 135i wins (only because topspeed limiter is removed)
- track?: M3 wins (small gap)
- sound?: M3 wins (much better)

Daily difference:
The 135i ACS has always power, at any rev. The M3 must be above 5000 rpm. to have it 'alive'..

Hi there fellow Dutchman. Is your first name Ferdinand? If so, then hi here from Robin you already know.

[emthree4me]

Originally Posted by Bimmer Loyalist

oh, hi there.

Are you staking me!

[emthree4me]

Originally Posted by acs1.35i

Hi,

M3 vs. stock 135i;

- 0-60?: M3 wins (sometimes close to call)
- 0-200km/u: M3 wins (huge difference)
- accelaration?: 135i wins (like VI/V/VI 60-100, 100-120, .. etc)
- topspeed?: even (both limited to 250kmh)
- track?: M3 wins (big gap)
- sound?: M3 wins (much better)

M3 vs. mod. 135i (example ACS1.35i Schnitzer 360ps and suspension)

- 0-60?: 135i wins
- 0-200km/u: M3 wins (sometimes close to call)
- accelaration?: 135i wins (huge difference)
- topspeed: 135i wins (only because topspeed limiter is removed)
- track?: M3 wins (small gap)
- sound?: M3 wins (much better)

Daily difference:
The 135i ACS has always power, at any rev. The M3 must be above 5000 rpm. to have it 'alive'..

Impressive nos. as they are, I've driven one and I was not inspired
Sorry!

[BMW-driver]

hi robin, yes ofcourse it is Ferdinand . O well!, what a richness for the M3 club that I am joining them ... lol. I have compared my acs1.35i with a M3V8 (a white one with red leather interiour!! OMG ). It was a fun day. Still happy with your M3 Robin, maybe we should do some tests (I will ask Andre to drive my 135i lol) to compare. Or maybe not, it's boring also.

acs1.35i

[Robin_NL]

LOL Ferdinand, yes we have to meet, and Robert(Romo) as wel. Comparing my E90M3 vs his E92 M3 vs Andre's 09 E90 M3 fully not loaded(CSL ultralight ROFLOL) vs your 187mph Schnitzer 135i, sundaymorning 8 o clock somewhere on the A6 Almere-Amsterdam.

[KonigsTiger]

Originally Posted by southlight

Not really, M3 is still faster in most flexibility tests.


Not exactly, 135i is limited to real 250kph, M3 to real 258kph. No big difference, but enough to overtake on German Autobahn.




Here is where the sometimes-too-close-to-call comment were appropriate...



Autobild Sportscars tested both cars on the Nürburgring F1 track. I wouldn't call that a small gap:
M3:__ 1.44:86
ACS1: 1.46:50


Best regards, south

As always, thanks South. I always find you information very accurate and informative.

[e46e92love]

Originally Posted by acs1.35i

Hi,

M3 vs. stock 135i;

- 0-60?: M3 wins (sometimes close to call)
- 0-200km/u: M3 wins (huge difference)
- accelaration?: 135i wins (like VI/V/VI 60-100, 100-120, .. etc)
- topspeed?: even (both limited to 250kmh)
- track?: M3 wins (big gap)
- sound?: M3 wins (much better)

M3 vs. mod. 135i (example ACS1.35i Schnitzer 360ps and suspension)

- 0-60?: 135i wins
- 0-200km/u: M3 wins (sometimes close to call)
- accelaration?: 135i wins (huge difference)
- topspeed: 135i wins (only because topspeed limiter is removed)
- track?: M3 wins (small gap)
- sound?: M3 wins (much better)

Daily difference:
The 135i ACS has always power, at any rev. The M3 must be above 5000 rpm. to have it 'alive'..

[BMW-driver]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

LOL Ferdinand, yes we have to meet, and Robert(Romo) as wel. Comparing my E90M3 vs his E92 M3 vs Andre's 09 E90 M3 fully not loaded(CSL ultralight ROFLOL) vs your 187mph Schnitzer 135i, sundaymorning 8 o clock somewhere on the A6 Almere-Amsterdam.

Yes, yes, yes!! Lets race (on natural ice! nearby Heerenveen) Skitterend! We could help Andre to remove his entire M3 interiour that day . And don't fight over my acs1.35i. You all want to drive that insane machine, I understand that, but just wait when it's your turn But I have play music on comming sunday (cannot be on the kartbaan to). Lets make - indeed - an appointment soon.

[wuyichao]

Originally Posted by acs1.35i

Yes, yes, yes!! Lets race (on natural ice! nearby Heerenveen) Skitterend! We could help Andre to remove his entire M3 interiour that day . And don't fight over my acs1.35i. You all want to drive that insane machine, I understand that, but just wait when it's your turn But I have play music on comming sunday (cannot be on the kartbaan to). Lets make - indeed - an appointment soon.

LOL

hows this

against your 135.

[wuyichao]

Originally Posted by acs1.35i

Hi,

M3 vs. stock 135i;

- 0-60?: M3 wins (sometimes close to call)
- 0-200km/u: M3 wins (huge difference)
- accelaration?: 135i wins (like VI/V/VI 60-100, 100-120, .. etc)
- topspeed?: even (both limited to 250kmh)
- track?: M3 wins (big gap)
- sound?: M3 wins (much better)

M3 vs. mod. 135i (example ACS1.35i Schnitzer 360ps and suspension)

- 0-60?: 135i wins
- 0-200km/u: M3 wins (sometimes close to call)
- accelaration?: 135i wins (huge difference)
- topspeed: 135i wins (only because topspeed limiter is removed)
- track?: M3 wins (small gap)
- sound?: M3 wins (much better)

Daily difference:
The 135i ACS has always power, at any rev. The M3 must be above 5000 rpm. to have it 'alive'..

[BMW-driver]

Originally Posted by southlight

Not really, M3 is still faster in most flexibility tests.

Not exactly, 135i is limited to real 250kph, M3 to real 258kph. No big difference, but enough to overtake on German Autobahn.




Here is where the sometimes-too-close-to-call comment were appropriate...



Autobild Sportscars tested both cars on the Nürburgring F1 track. I wouldn't call that a small gap:
M3:__ 1.44:86
ACS1: 1.46:50


Best regards, south

Hi Southlight,

Not as accurate as you might think

135i stok vs. M3

the flexible tests:
- We've done serveral runs. over and over agian. In lows gears, the 135i is always faster (from 80-100, 80-120, 80-140). The explanation for that is simple ofcourse: the 135i has more torque at low revs and weight less.
At higher revs, the M3 is always faster.

Highspeed:
- O, lol, the M3 is 258 (woow). The brochure tells something different.. but anyway, the M3 is the big winner here

ACS1.35i vs. M3
0-60: Again, the acs1.35i was always faster. If it would be diferent, ofcourse I would say, but it isn't.

Some numbers (not mine) but from Auto Bild Sportscar

0-100 kmh acs1.35i 4.9 / M3 5.2

1/4 mile acs1.35i 13.26 / M3 13.49

60-100kmh (IV) acs1.35i 4.3 / M3 5.2
80-120kmh (V) acs1.35i 5.0 / M3 6.2
80-120kmh (VI) acs1.35i 6.2 / M3 7.7

Anyway. Those stupid tests between both wonderful cars, is nonces ofcourse. There is a big difference in driving experiences though between them: the M3 sounds, and is a sportsmachine: high rev's, wonderful sound, wondeful handling, great power, lot's of emotion, etc. The 135i, even the Schnitzer version, is a higway cruiser, NOT a sportscar. No emotions like the M3, but a 'no noncense BMW product'. But, because of it's lighter package and also wonderful engine (torque!), it beats the M3 in flexibility. No doubts about that. The 335i (chipped) wil do the same. But on the track, the M3 is the king.

Have fun!
ACS1.35i

[mixja]

Here's a comparison using dyno data from www.rri.se (note I used the 335i dyno data for the 135i) of the following cars:

• M3 MT - 8300RPM shift point, 0.25s gear shift time
• M3 DCT - 8300RPM shift point, 0.01s gear shift time
• 135i Modified - 30% added to entire power band, 7000RPM shift point, 0.25s gear shift time

The graph shows the difference in distance over time from a rolling start at 50km/h in 2nd gear. The M3 MT is the reference car (hence is always at 0 in the graph).

The speeds at t=30s above the legend show both M3 cars are travelling much faster at this point in time, although the modified 135i is still ahead of the M3 MT car.

NOTE: If you add 20% instead of 30% to the stock power of the 135i engine (which is probably closer to the ACS 135i), the M3 MT is well ahead at t=30s

[Driver72]

I think your spreadsheets may still need quite a bit of work.

It looks as if your spreadsheet is showing the tune only 135i will accelerate harder than the M3 for the first 14.8 seconds of the run. Which if starting at 50 kph to begin with 15 seconds later and you should be traveling at least triple that speed or more. Then suddenly within .3-.4 seconds fall behind.
Then suddenly decrease it's accelerating for 2.5 seconds, then start accelerating a bit slowly for a bit, then slowly drop off, then suddenly start decelerating??

I've seen tune only 335i's hang with M5's from 40-100+ mph and by 150 mph only be 2 or so CL's back, and they are faster especially up top. Your spreadsheet looks like the tune only 135i would be well ahead till 120 mph then suddenly start falling behind and by 150 or so be bus lengths behind.