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Wow, sorry, my bad then!!
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12-18-2008, 10:49 AM | #24 |
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Compared to any turbo tune/piggyback application
Your paying about 35$ for each hp with this mod. I wouldn't consider the price crazy but I think anything over 1k is overboard.
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12-18-2008, 10:54 AM | #25 |
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I completely agree...that would be ideal!
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The 335 tunes are expensive compared to the Neon-SRT4 or WRX where you can raise boost just by messing with the wastegate for free. There is always a cheaper way to get power. |
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12-18-2008, 07:37 PM | #27 | |
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The 335 tunes have dropped significantly in the last few months. But obviously its going to be more expensive then lower nameplates. That's just a business practice. 100% always a cheaper way to get power. When and if I do get/choose the m3 this will defiantly be on my mod list thanks to you! Hope that changes your thought process on some things. Thanks again for the data.
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What octane of fuel is needed after reflashing with a powerchip tune? Will it be ok to fill with lower octane? Will this work only on US spec cars?
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It is never OK to fill with lower octane when a car has been tuned for higher. |
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12-22-2008, 03:28 PM | #33 |
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I found Travis and Jeremy over at Powerchip to be very knowledgeable. As Sticky mentioned above, they compensated for the race gas mix I use. Install took less than 30 min.
It's nice to know that on something like software you have a friendly resource next door. Upgrades or any necessary future tweaks will be a breeze. Thanks to Dale @ Evosport for setting it all up.
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If anyone is looking for a powerchip tune, let me know. I can get you hooked up
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The more expensive the car, the more expensive the aftermarket tuners will charge, even if the results are far less than lower priced cars. A tune on a $30k car can give 50-60 hp and is like $500 A tune for the 335i gives 80-90 hp and is $630-750 The tune for the 997TT is $2500 I agree, $1200 for 25 hp is pricey, but they know some people will pay it for it on their $60-70K car. On a $20-30K car they wouldn't sell a single tune at that price with only that much power gain. And on a $150K Porsche owners would laugh at the fact it only gives 25 hp but they'd be willing to pay twice that amount for 3 times the power gain. Go figure. |
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All 30k cars don't gain 50-60 hp with 500 dollar tunes, that is absurd. It does not depend on the price of the car but entirely on what kind of motor it has and what state of tune it is in from the factory. On a 150k porsche you can gain 70 @ the wheels for <$2000. On a 120k GT3 you pay $2000 for <20 wheel. Has nothing to do with the price of the cars, everything to do with one porsche being turbocharged and one being naturally aspirated. |
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I didn't say "all" $30k cars gain 50-60 hp from a tune.
Said, "on a $30k car" And I understand that a NA car won't have the ECU tuning gains of a F/I one. Having owned over 30 cars in my 20 years of driving, many half a dozen of which were F/I, I'm well aware of that. But the fact still remains, the higher the priced car, the more they will charge you for it. Take the DSG tranny. On a $25k VW (first to bring it to mass production as we know it today and what all the other manufacturers are now following suit by doing) the DSG is a $1200 option. On the M3 it's what $3000 or so? I'm hearing on the 335i it will be $2700 On the Porsche, they charge like $4500 They charge more (in part) for the higher priced cars because they can and know the people with more money spent will spend more. How many DSG trannies do you think VW would sell if it was a $4500 option on their $25k GTI? I agree with you though, I know it's in part on the motor. But I'll bet it took more time and money to learn and tune the 335i engine than it did the M3's. A lot more to deal with and control when you are dealing with two turbos and the fueling and cooling and timing and so forth. |
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The gains are completely about the motor not the cost. The cost issue comes into play when the market is significantly more narrow due to the amount of cars you are developing for. You are going to be able to price tunes cheaper for cars on which you have a better chance of recouping the initial investment. It does not cost more to develop, the amount of people you can sell it to is smaller. Economies of scale. Porsche options hardly relate to anyone else in the world. They charge you if you sneeze. It does not take more work to tune the 335, don't know where that comes from. The ecu was cracked earlier than the M3 ecu was. Not to mention you have far more people developing tunes driving down cost. It takes far more skill to optimize an NA tune with far less room to play with than it does to up boost. Last edited by Sticky; 12-25-2008 at 03:16 AM.. |
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Is this the same Powerchip as http://www.powerchipgroup.com/ ?
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I'm not "chasing Sticky" around. I have a close buddy who is a FBI agent. Trust me, if I wanted to "chase him" for real it wouldn't be on the internet. I've just opened a few threads and read and have responded. In this thread, it was Sticky who quoted me and responded to my response (which had nothing to do with him or any of his responses). As for the above claims again Sticky please show proof where you say "it takes far more skill to optimize an NA tune"? I'm not a tuner but know Shiv and Terry well. All I know is you get far more gains from FI and as I said I suspect it takes more to tune them because of that, but never did I say "it takes more skill" or claim that as factual, as you have done. I could ask Shiv. Though he's a millionaire, the BMW he drives is the lowly 335i so he may not know about the M3 tuning specifics. Costs do come down with time, however, once again, your claim is wrong, since the VW DSG was priced about the same as it is now even when it first came out. And as I suspect the option price of the BMW DCT will not go down in 3-5 years but go up a bit. And VW/Audi's development costs were most likely far more costly than BMW's, since they were the first to develop one for the mass produced car. For other manufacturers to buy one and reverse engineer it (as BMW, Ferrari, Porsche, and others have done now) then make their own, is far cheaper to do. Your point about Porsche charging you if you sneeze, was exactly my point....as I originally said, most often the more expensive the car, the more they charge for pretty much the same thing as cheaper cars. Was one of the reasons I didn't buy the Carrera S back in Dec. 2006 when I got my first 335i, and again in early 2007 when I got my second 335i. Plus I love turbo charged cars and their tuning potential. But I also love NA cars, so I considered the ZO6. I passed on it though because of it's lack of practicality and the fact my insurance company wanted over twice what it costs to insure the 335i (and the fact I'd have to have my driveway entrance resloped at a cost of $5-6k since the ZO6 is to low and will scrape the front every time I drive in. Just want to reiterate, Sticky I don't "have it out for you." I've always loved M3's. I considered dropping my 335i at one point to get one too, but I love the turbo and the torque, and with a lease now, nobody will pay to take over the lease I pay since rates are so low now they can get one for $100 a month less new. I visit the M3boards from time to time, but once I posted about the West Coast Dyno I was hosting and you started bashing on 335i's in there and making all these ignorant and arrogant claims, I tried to be cool with you. You clearly didn't want it and just kept bashing and thinking you are better than everybody else because you drive an M3. I hate to break it to you, but not everybody with money drives M3's And not everybody with money buys the most expensive version of a particular car. I know because I can afford an M3 and I know and work with multi-millionaires and even some billionaires from time to time, often they drive nice cars ($80-100k which they could afford more of course) and many drive Prius' too. I know you are young and full of testosterone having such a nice car at such a young age. But be thankful your dad has taken good care of you and you grew up with that. Many people don't and many people have to work hard for a long time to make great money and afford $60-70k cars. Being born into a family with good money makes nobody "special" or any better than anybody else. Sorry for the book response. Cheers. |
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