|
|
11-28-2009, 05:56 AM | #23 |
Moderator
7512
Rep 19,368
Posts |
Look for a spike in M3 accidents next month as inexperienced people now go out and try to validate the article as they are goaded on by friends and peers.
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-28-2009, 08:46 AM | #25 |
Rocky
412
Rep 3,085
Posts |
In for drifting around the Military Police with the mag on the dash..
__________________
22 Audi RS E-Tron GT
21 Model S Plaid |
Appreciate
0
|
11-28-2009, 09:33 AM | #26 |
Brigadier General
126
Rep 4,144
Posts |
Great. Be sure to warn all the state troopers that hang out there.
__________________
2017 F80 YMB.
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-28-2009, 10:27 AM | #27 |
Second Lieutenant
7
Rep 229
Posts |
The M3 is fantastically balanced and easy to control in a slide...especially with MDM. I think that has a lot to do with it.
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-30-2009, 07:29 PM | #29 |
Captain
59
Rep 627
Posts |
He thought balance was bad... I think he's getting old and patriotic, thinking a convertible Jaguar can hold a candle to a BMW M3.
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-01-2009, 09:49 AM | #32 |
68
Rep 1,034
Posts |
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-01-2009, 09:51 AM | #34 |
68
Rep 1,034
Posts |
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-01-2009, 10:04 AM | #35 |
Major
678
Rep 1,469
Posts |
A quote from the article..."Like a Formula 1 engine, the M3’s 4.0-liter V-8 delivers the bulk of its 414 bhp high on the tach. Not exactly ideal for drifting, but good enough to get the 265/40ZR-18 rear tires loose in most situations."
Looks to me like they were running 19's???....... |
Appreciate
0
|
12-01-2009, 11:07 AM | #36 |
I like cars
329
Rep 5,052
Posts |
Fifth Gear did a comparison between the C63 and the M3 as to which was the better drift car, I'm pretty sure the C63 won. Not surprising considering all of that immediate torque available.
__________________
My photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/racelap/
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-01-2009, 11:21 AM | #37 |
demoted
453
Rep 1,172
Posts |
M3 declared R&T's "Sultans of Slide" drift king
FULL REVIEW:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...ltans_of_slide >“If I had the money to afford one, I would buy one,” Millen said with a wink. “Although it didn’t have the torque I was expecting from a V-8, its gear ratios were fantastic." >Yoshihara added: “It felt very fast through the entire course, and the quick steering made it easy to maintain control at all times. I was surprised that it didn’t have more low-end torque because the power at the top end was so good. I needed to adjust my driving style a little to keep the tachometer needle high in the rev range.” >Like a Formula 1 engine, the M3’s 4.0-liter V-8 delivers the bulk of its 414 bhp high on the tach. Not exactly ideal for drifting, but good enough to get the 265/40ZR-18 rear tires loose in most situations. And besides, any engine shortcomings were made up by the car’s chassis. The M3 easily won this comparo http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...ltans_of_slide, in spite of its Achilles heel. |
Appreciate
0
|
12-01-2009, 12:36 PM | #38 |
Major
232
Rep 1,481
Posts
Drives: '11 M3 MW/FR - '12 M3 FO/SC
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: California
iTrader: (6)
Garage List 2004 Honda Hornet [0.00]
2003 Chevrolet 2500 ... [0.00] 2011 BMW S1000RR [0.00] 2011 BMW E92 M3 [0.00] 2012 BMW E92 M3 [0.00] |
Interesting read! Good find!
__________________
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-01-2009, 12:52 PM | #39 |
Lieutenant Colonel
824
Rep 1,584
Posts |
Not surprising considering Brits don't know what drifting is (just kidding) but they basically chose the C63 because it created more smoke. Best Motoring gave the M3 a 100% drift score and that's coming from Tsuchiya, the guy credited with 'inventing' drifting.
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-01-2009, 12:53 PM | #40 |
Lieutenant General
611
Rep 10,407
Posts |
Just because a car has a V8 expecting gobs of torque, low end or not is unreasonable. This perception does not make ones opinion on the subject valid.
It is not accurace language to say that the car makes or delivers the bulk of its hp high in its rpm range. The cars hp curve is almost perfectly linear and peaks at redline. What the author should have said (and probably means) is that due to the cars high redline, and flat torque curve, extracting the most performance from it requires mostly high rpm driving.
__________________
E92 M3 | Space Gray on Fox Red | M-DCT | CF Roof | RAC RG63 Wheels | Brembo 380mm BBK | | Vorsteiner Ti Exhaust | Matte Black Grilles/Side Gills/Rear Emblem/Mirrors | | Alekshop Back up Camera | GP Thunders | BMW Aluminum Pedals | Elite Angels | | XPEL Full Front Wrap | Hardwired V1 | Interior Xenon Light Kit | |
Appreciate
0
|
12-01-2009, 01:03 PM | #41 | |
Banned
837
Rep 46,029
Posts |
Quote:
correction 3.6 liter engine, 275 lb/ft |
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-01-2009, 01:26 PM | #42 |
Major
62
Rep 1,211
Posts |
It is more because you do not have a idea of what they are talking about - relative terms of how torquey down low a V8 is perceived to be for a car this fast. Drifting is all about low-end torque, which is why it is a subject in this article. No high revving engine ever makes gobs of torque down low compared to the power it puts out in top rpms.
Most people who think V8 think gobs of tire shredding low end torque like a stang GT or Corvette. 300 ft-lbs of torque@3900 rpm on the M3 is tons of torque enough to haul 6000 lbs easily uphill if it has tall gearing and towing suspension to haul. If you look at the 0-60 and 1/4 mile numbers of 4.1 secs and 12.5 secs, it was faster than 99% of the cars including IS-F etc. Only 0.1 seconds behind Corvette grand sport. All it says, M3 makes all the right amount of torque at the right place for maximum acceleration with perfectly matched gear ratios and a perfectly matched high rpm redline, but not a tire shredding low-end torque monster V8.
__________________
""A great sounding, responsive, high-revving, naturally aspirated engine is part of the DNA of a thoroughbred sports car. No two ways about it."
- Lamborghini on turbocharging |
Appreciate
0
|
12-01-2009, 05:27 PM | #43 |
Captain
56
Rep 807
Posts |
Interesting that they also said the following:
"Although drifting hasn’t caught on in Europe like it has in Japan and the U.S.—most professional European drifters come here to compete—this all-out drifting comparison test was won by a German. With a good score in the Performance portion of our test, plus a win in the Subjective rankings, the M3 was our clear winner, the best production drift car." http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co..._bmw_m3_page_8 |
Appreciate
0
|
12-01-2009, 05:31 PM | #44 | |
demoted
453
Rep 1,172
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
Post Reply |
Bookmarks |
|
|