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09-29-2012, 06:31 AM | #1 |
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Asking dealer to reveal their purchase price for a used M3
Do you think the dealer would agree to show me their bill of sale when purchasing the vehicle? I would want them to agree to show me the documents after I say "yes, let's start the paperwork." Or do you think the dealer would be reluctant to show this information?
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09-29-2012, 06:42 AM | #2 |
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for a pre-owned, they'll just lie to you, it's very opaque b/c they buy from different price points b/c each car is "unique" in a sense and has a story to it (trade in, lease return, auction). For new, they'll just give you their invoice price, and that's somewhat misleading b/c as I understand the business, dealers also get volume discounts and other incentives from manufacturers
You must be new to this business thing huh? Your price is based on supply and demand, not cost... |
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09-29-2012, 07:01 AM | #3 | |
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Why should they? Would you disclose your cost in a transaction? What does the prior deal have to do with what YOU are willing to pay for a vehicle?
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If I was selling a car and I knew that it was overpriced, and someone was willing to pay the amount I'm asking as long as I "show my cards" at the end of the deal, why not? Sure, I'd be willing to tell reveal this information... |
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09-29-2012, 07:35 AM | #8 |
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09-29-2012, 07:44 AM | #9 |
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What would be the point? It is actually none of your business and would be too late to change what you pay. The car is worth what you are willing to pay, it has nothing to do with what they paid for it.
Would you pay $70 grand for a used M3 just because they had paid $68 grand for it? I did not think so. Must be the water. |
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There is zero value in learning the dealer's cost, don't bother. Besides, even if you knew what they paid for it, that's not their true cost. They pay inventory tax, and other costs of doing business for acquiring, and keeping, that car on the lot.
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09-29-2012, 09:26 AM | #12 | |
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09-29-2012, 10:34 AM | #13 |
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Why would the dealer do that and why would you care?
Also why are you asking this question on here? Just go to the dealer and ask them (but be prepared for an immediate NO). |
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09-29-2012, 11:08 AM | #14 | |
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Besides, their true cost isn't easy to determine anyway. They have to factor all of their operating costs into the cars they sell, so it's not as simple as what they paid for the car. People have entire businesses around helping other companies just DETERMINING what their true cost of goods sold is, never mind how to reduce said costs. It's not for you to determine how much they're "allowed" to profit from your purchase, or even know, nor should they feel obligated to limit their profit margins. You get to decide what you're willing to pay, and they decide what they want, both of those determinations based on supply and demand as others have said.
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09-29-2012, 11:16 AM | #15 |
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Lol...COGS.
Why don't you ask them for a Balance Sheet and a full P&L while your at it
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The general responses you're getting are spot on. I am in the car business, and a dealer is NOT going to reveal the cost of a pre-owened vehicle. It's worth what it's worth regardless of how much they paid for it. It is true though that sometimes we as dealers overpay for a trade, or have reconditioning costs that are unexpected that result in selling vehicles for a loss.
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09-29-2012, 11:54 AM | #18 | |
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I guess the OP needs to find a non-profit dealer?
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09-29-2012, 11:57 AM | #19 | ||
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Use your budget, find which cars fit in the budget. Then breakdown the important factors. Year? low mileage? Comp package? No accidents? Options? Supercharger testing mule? Enthusiast owned or a lease by a company who's owner beat the piss out out it? Warranty? After all that, you will determine fair market value. Since your buying used, there are plenty of comps you will see in the for sale section of this forum to determine prices by year.
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09-29-2012, 03:59 PM | #22 |
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+100 ... Who knows what the dealer did to make the car perfect for resale ... new tires ... total check up etc. etc. etc. ... so if you ask him such questions he will and should show you the door ....
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