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11-04-2009, 04:41 AM | #1 |
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EVO calls M3 limited edition "best E90 M3 yet" bec of Conti Sport 3...
EVO.uk (full link at bottom) just reviewed the "limited edition" M3 and called it "...the best E90 series M3..." they have driven for 2 reasons: one of them being that the car comes with Conti Sport 3 and not Michelin Sport Cups, Seems that, according to EVO, they give the M3 better overall balance between under/oversteer. Here is the full quote re the tires:
"The reason for this is twofold. First there is the drop in ride height. Second there is the rubber that our test car was wearing. The M3 normally comes shod with Michelin Pilot Sport Cups, tyres which can also be found on Porsche GT3s and 2s. They have almost slick outer edges and generate a huge amount of grip but, aside from producing scintillating lap times, I’m not convinced they show the M3 off to best advantage. Fitted to our Edition were the other OE tyres for the M3, the Continental Sport Contact 3s, and whilst they have slightly less overall grip they give a much more involving drive. On the Michelins you had to be way up in the high-rev powerband to unstick the rear which, like drinking a crate of Red Bull, was fizzingly exciting but also a bit extreme. Now, with the help of the Continentals and the drop in ride height, the M3’s poise and adjustability shine through without the need to have the V8 revving sky-high. There’s the potential for a touch of understeer if you push the nose into a corner hard (not something you ever found with the Michelins) but it’s easily neutralised by getting back on the throttle and steering with the now instantly alert rear. It reminds me of the CLK Black Series, which has to be a very good thing." http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...3_edition.html |
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11-04-2009, 07:43 AM | #5 |
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So, it's a better tire because there is less grip? I guess if I start drifting my car Conti 3's are the way to go.
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11-04-2009, 10:28 AM | #7 |
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I read the article last week and thought that was really weird. They didn't call out how BMW's installing springs and new tires ran the cost up on a standard M3, WTF? Though, I have to say that i want Monte Carlo Blue now.
BTW are most UK spec M3s sold with Pilot Sport Cups?
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11-04-2009, 01:39 PM | #8 |
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Yeah, that caught my eye too, and I was wondering if it was a misprint. Here int he states, it's either Pilot Sport 2's or Conti Sport Contact 3's. Between these two, I like the Conti's becasue they provide more grip consistently over more laps, whereas the PS2's lose grip and get slippery early on.
Pilot Cups are a whole different ball of wax (R-compound tiers), which will NEVER come standard on a car in the US. Acura tried it with the first generation NSX in the early 90's (sold with R-compound Yokohama tires) and took a hit because of too many customers complained about tires wearing our after 2500 miles... whah, whah, whah )
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11-04-2009, 02:19 PM | #9 |
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cant compare apples and oranges! Rcoumpound versus a max performance tire just not doable! They should ahve compared them to the PS2's not the cups!
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11-05-2009, 10:44 AM | #11 |
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I read the article the other day and was left scratching my head. I've driven on Continentals on both street and track when I had my E46 and thought they were the absolute worst tire I've ever driven on. Period. They became greasy within 4 to 5 laps (on a short track at that), provided extremely inconsistent grip to the point I just didn't feel comfortable going into a corner because I did not know how much grip I was going to have, they were very noisy for a street tire after the first few thousand miles, and to top it off they wore out in no time flat.
I don't know how the PS2's compare in track driving as I now have a dedicates set of R-compound track tires and have therefore only run the PS2's on the street. But so far they are wearing much better, make less noise, and channel water a bit better than the Continentals ever did. Basically, you couldn't give me a set of Continentals to put on my car. So far in my motoring life they are the only tire I have ever sworn to never own again. It really blows my mind that a car mag like EVO would actually prefer the Contis over a set of Pilot Sport Cups.
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11-05-2009, 10:48 AM | #12 |
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I get what he's saying, but what a stupid comment. Of course less grip = more ability to power oversteer and more excitement at lower speeds, but if you want to have fun going slow, go buy a ford.
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11-05-2009, 11:22 AM | #13 |
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On a somewhat related note, does anyone know when we'll be able to source the Edition springs from places like realoem.com?
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