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no, no, no. Vettes are cool chick amgnet cars...... if you are bald, over 55 and have a large gold chain collections. and who can knock that, with the price of gold on the rise!!!
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What if your 24yr old, have all of your hair, and love making certain "propeller" badged cars with M's aside their 6's and 5's eat your dust???
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that's funny I saw a fat bald dude in a M3 on south beach the other day, I guess they like M3's also
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First off, let me apopogize here for doing a Hillary - meaning I misspoke. I said I thought the M3 engine was better in terms of smoothness and zinginess (eagerness to gain revs), but left out the really important part that I've waxed poetic about before. Namely, the M3's torque curve is stupendously flat. In fact, the idea that torque only drops from peak by about 11% over a 5400 rpm span is probably a milestone for street driven internal combustion engines.
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Actually, it is. There isn't a single area of performance where the M3 engine exceeds the LS3. Not weight, not overall exterior size, not power, not torque, and not in fuel mileage. I love its torque curve (which helps explain why the car is something of an overachiever in my estimation), but the fact is that an M3 with an LS3 powerplant would perform better than it now does. Please note that power per liter is not "performance". Quote:
And by the way, this apologist crap that you espouse (and apparently Swamp agrees with) makes no sense whatsoever. You talk about tire sizes and vehicle weights as if that meant something. The fact is that this is the way the cars are built and shipped. If the bimmer boys want to lighten the car up and put bigger tires under it, that's fine, but until then, who gives a damn? I could get pregnant if I just had the right plumbing, but I don't. So? Well, kudos to you for admitting it. Bruce |
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Come on Bruce that is not the point. I am not one who desires a Corvette for myself but I, like you, appreciate all good performers and especially good performers per dollar - that is where the Vette really shines. Talking about a car being under-tired is absolutely not "apologist crap" it is just an observation and helps us understand that the M3 has a great chassis and suspension. As you have agreed with it is sort of an "over performer". Tires are such a critical compoenent in any performance car in any driving area, drag, road course, rally, off road, whatever. Hence it is good to note tires along with things such as a N'Ring time.
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Might be opening a can of worms but what the hell.
Tyre width should always related to weight, the heavier the car the wider the tyres, other factors are power output and weight balance. It a fine line manufacturers have to make between maximum grip and traction off the line and in a corner with tread footprint size in the rain and snow. I personally prefer a car which is neither over tyred in width or with too low a profile, the whole balance changes and seldom for the better. It's the main reason why I have decided on 18" alloys instead of the 19" option. |
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How thick are you? Seriously? You have a car that weighs 400lb more with less grip, but it is able to generate identical performance number (on unbroken engine with less than 1200 miles). How do you think this same fat M3 would perform if it weighed 400lb LESS in the same chassis? OBVIOUSLY, it would go from a tie to a complete victory in any acceleration test and DOMINATE even more in braking, skidpad test. ANY TEST! Quote:
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DAMN! That was exactly what happened to me after getting my car back from an independent shop (after a lady made a left turn into me). The shop expressed bewilderment and repaired the damage, but the memory stuck. Bruce |
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Vettes are soooo ugly most of the time! Even if it peforms 10x better than an M3, I would not buy it. lol!
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On a somewhat loosely related point was it you and I who long ago had the argument about calling a dual clutch tranny an "automatic"? I strongly believe they should be called automated manuals instead, or simply dual clutch. "Everyone" knows there are essential components and functions of an automatic tranny and the DC units are very very different than those. |
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The EPA calls it an "automatic - sequential shift", so if you're really a stickler, perhaps that's what you should call it as well. Not that I would insist, of course. Bruce |
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Does the US government typically make good decisions? It seems that much of what they do in terms of terminology is make up really bad and cryptic acronyms. I think calling AMTs automatics does a serious disservice to any less than well educated enthusiast. The distinctions are massive. Focusing on the number of pedals vs. the essential mechanical nature of a system is a misnomer at best. |
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The center portion is a nice shape, but looks like cheap plastic. It could use a nicer emblem as well. But the fact that a $20K Mabibu gets a similar wheel to a Corvette is pretty cool for the Malibu! |
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I know you know exactly what I'm talking about. Use that gene when checking out the Vette body - or don't bother, serene in your belief. Clearly yes. It's fashionable to criticize or even deride "the idiots in Washington" (God forbid that should ever stop except perhaps in times of national crisis), but the fact is that our Government actually does make good decisions, by and large. Yeah, I've been known to actually yell at inanimate objects from time to time (TV, radio, newspaper) after hearing about some particular political idiocy, but Richard Jeni hit the nail on the head in one of his standup routines. He said we just don't market ourselves correctly, and he had the perfect catch phrase to build a marketing program around: "America. Twenty million illegal aliens can't be wrong!" Quote:
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Bruce, you represent a neutral stance both for and against the Vette in a fair manner. You should know by now that fanboy's will always be blind to anything outside of their bubble.
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