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4.0 liter V8 414 HP 295 lb-ft torque BMW e90/92 M3 | 251 | 72.54% | |
5.0-liter V8 416 HP 371 lb-ft torque Lexus IS-F | 46 | 13.29% | |
Just the same- depends on the driver | 49 | 14.16% | |
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02-25-2011, 03:38 PM | #221 |
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Thank you, I appreciate the link.
I've seen that video, several times, it's great review of the IS-F prior to the addition of a proper LSD and some, crucial, suspension revisions. I would like to see a ZCP M3 vs. '11 IS-F, that would be something to really draw some conclusions from. Thanks again for the link!!
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Did you miss the post at the top of the prior page... showing the IS-F's consistently faster from Drag Times... And do you need the latest link from the Car & Drivers Lightning Lap? He purchased a 2011... comparing 2011 to 2011... IS-F is fastest.
Also... My times in my IS-F (with Muffler & air Filter & Tires) is something like 3 SECONDS faster than anyone elses 'M3' on this site at the same track (Auto Club Speedway, California Motor Speedway). I'm not using times/comparisons from 3 years ago etc... Also... my IS-F is .3 and 3 MPH faster than my FULLY MODDED M3 was... same track... and I have almost zero mods to my IS-F. Compare 1/4 mile Drag Racing timeslips: BMW M3 Lexus IS-F Click on the 1/4 ET to display the DragTime in detail. 1/4 Mile ET 1/4 Mile MPH 1/8 Mile ET 1/8 Mile MPH 0-60 Foot ET Temp F Stock Car Year Driver Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 CrazyMPG 12.379* 114.730 8.028 89.790 1.856 43.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2009 ChicagoISF 12.385* 115.010 8.077 91.010 1.945 41.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Cole 12.441* 116.420 8.144 90.320 2.001 46.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Cole 12.466* 113.790 8.104 89.040 1.911 46.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 ToothDoc 12.506* 115.290 8.171 89.510 1.964 55.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Cole 12.510* 114.810 Yes BMW M3 Coupe 2009 NA 12.540* 117.200 8.196 90.240 2.015 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Steve 12.565* 111.980 8.172 90.610 1.953 61.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Cole 12.582* 111.820 8.148 87.540 1.912 59.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2009 12.610* 113.110 Yes BMW M3 Sedan 2008 NA 12.610* 113.020 Yes BMW M3 Coupe 2009 NA 12.670* 112.060 8.270 88.780 2.033 78.8 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 Cole 12.700* 114.000 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 NA 12.705* 113.190 8.293 89.150 2.002 56.0 Yes Lexus IS-F 2008 2JZIS-F
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You missed my questions from the prior page
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This link is discussing a comparison by EVO magazine from 3 months ago - M3 faster to 60 mph, faster to 100mph and faster at 140mph.................. and around the track - we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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I don't mind agreeing to disagree. I like and respect both cars.
Here's the most recent article published this year from Car & Driver's Lightning Lap: http://www.caranddriver.com/features...to_2011_page_8
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Wow, this forum should be called: WhySoInsecurePost.com
I, genuinely, believe that the M3 is a superb, well balanced, vehicle; however I find the M3 fanboi mentality, that plagues this forum, to be entirely pathetic. Is it impossible to fathom that some other car(s) might be faster than the M3?
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Last week I ran 2010 DCT M3 on interstate 287 at 2 in morning we ran 1 mile race. I won the race, but did I beat the car or the driver. I think beat the driver he was younger guy didn't have as much experience or confidence in his car or it's ability's he didn't seem to push his M3 hard enough. Did that race prove my IS-F is faster than M3 no it prove I was better driver. Yes it's fun to look at and quote all the numbers but once again what matters for me is the real world in the street were I drive my car 99.9 % of the time. This spring I'll be taking my IS-F to Limerock Raceway and participating HPDE (High Performance Driving Education) classes. Upon completion of the course I'll be doing time trail runs I can't wait to see what my IS-F can do on track it's just one aspect of the car all long with it's ability to be good daily driver which is equally important since in reality that were my car spends most of it's time. |
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And again, I feel the car's can be anyone's race on the road course (and clearly will come down to driver)... however in a drag race, and from a roll... it is no contest in 'my experience'. Peace, Dave
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[QUOTE=technik330;9003754]Wow, this forum should be called: WhySoInsecurePost.com
I, genuinely, believe that the M3 is a superb, well balanced, vehicle; however I find the M3 fanboi mentality, that plagues this forum, to be entirely pathetic. Is it impossible to fathom that some other car(s) might be faster than the M3?[/QUOTE] No - There are plenty of faster cars than the M3 - but IMO the ISF is not one of them. There is no insecurity here, the M3 is widely regarded as the benchmark vehicle in this class - fact, the ISF is a great car as well. When a car comes out that is genuinely better then i will buy it regardless of manufacturer, i am not a fanboi but i will state my opinion on this forum as and when i see fit. This is an M3 forum - go onto the C63 forum and you will get the same responses there.
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Edit this post was already covered.
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I've beaten them heads up from rolls on the street with my DCT (my friend has one, and he was shocked when I pulled as hard as I did ---> it looked like the 60-130 roll from the "Battle of the Supercars" comparo between the two on Speed Channel), and on the track the M3 will undoubtedly take it as well. Furthermore, the IS-FAIL has nothing on the M3's interior or exterior. As stupid as this may sound, I really believe it is a "wana-be" M3. Lastly, please tell me its possible to turn off that beeping at redline between shifts? When I went for a ride in my friends ISF I wanted to rip out the speaker making that nuisance ---> Anyways, of all the cars in its class (m3, c63, etc...) I think the ISF most definetly finishes in last in all categories |
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Erm, you may be the dumbest kid yet. Facts are facts, you can continue tho live under your rock, but as of 2011 IS-F is greater than 4 door M3. You see the drag times, you see the lightning lap, yet you keep drinking the "I own the greatest car in the world bar none" regardless of what facts are presented.
Amazing Dave... here is the info on the M3 using the Sport Cup Tires: http://www.caranddriver.com/features...3a05.4_page_13 Again... I've owned em both... I like the M3, I'm just more of a 'low end' grunt guy... I like Torque... the F does that better in the day to day... and matches the upper RPM pull. And the interior to me is much 'warmer' & luxurious in the F. I may get an M3 another day... but it will be because it's time to try something new, not because I think it's the greatest car in the world.
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Why didn't you buy the C63 then? ISF's max torque is very high up in the rev range and falls off steeply after that - C63 is a torque monster if thats your thing
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Ss134, I almost did, it was high on the list, but at 14 mpg, too similar to my m5, & I enjoy driving my car every day. But agree c63 is a torque monster.
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3:05.4 BMW M3 COUPE LL2 2/10 (cup tires) 3:05.4 LEXUS IS F LL2 2/11 3:05.6 BMW M3 COUPE LL2 11/08 (Stock tires) So if you really want to compare, then its better to compare the M3 with stock tires with the 2011 ISF. With that, is it really worth arguing about over .2 of a second?!? M3 with cup tires makes no sense to me. I dont see how those tires on the M3 can only shave off so little, unless February of 2010 was cold where grip was an issue. I give respect to lexus coming out with their 1st generation ISF and being on par with the M3. Only other company that came close to that is Cadillac with their CTS-V and it took them a 2nd generation to do it. Journalist need to review the 2011 ISF so the consumer can see how much of an improvement they have made over the previous year.
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