AA Stage 2+ & VT1 535

[akh23456]

A little food for thought.

S65 Dynos compared to 1/4 mile MPH's

What gives? The ESS cars are putting out equal, and sometimes MORE power, yet the AA kit is throwing around the numbers where it matters most. Is DCT really the cause for 5+ more MPH? I think we all know thats not the case..


ESS VT600-Manual

Dyno:

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ESS VT-600 Manual
Dyno
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AA Stg2 w/meth DCT
Dyno
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[alpine335i]

Why are these threads always ESS vs another company? It seems any time an ESS customer posts his results he has to point out he is making more power then someone else? It never ends.

[akh23456]

first it was Ess vs Pc then Ess vs Gintani and now this nothing changes for these guys at Ess same Marketing different day.

[IMG]

Originally Posted by akh23456

first it was Ess vs Pc then Ess vs Gintani and now this nothing changes for these guys at Ess same Marketing different day.

This is not true in this thread Akash, all what i did is post some graphs based on facts and asked for some answers and i got attacked by AA which got squared away and its fine, ur car is running fine and i said it looks great and complimented u on ur kit. now things got elevated and of course each person/vendor will protect what he represent or what’s he’s running and its not hate or bash its about some clarifications.
Thanks Akash !!

[akh23456]

Originally Posted by img

This is not true in this thread Akash, all what i did is post some graphs based on facts and asked for some answers and i got attacked by AA which got squared away and its fine, ur car is running fine and i said it looks great and complimented u on ur kit. now things got elevated and of course each person/vendor will protect what he represent or what’s he’s running and its not hate or bash its about some clarifications.
Thanks Akash !!

i am not directing this at any of the ess customers it was toward the Ess guys at the company(Aj and Roman). I have alot of respect for the other kit out there like i said to you on sunday. When people start trashing something you worked hard to get and just try to rip everything it gets annoying. I hope you understand that and i am not trying to bash you or anyone else with a ess kit. The kit is amazing and making more power on dynos but they only car to show some real results is Drew ess car at 130. The rest of the "600" hp car or even 530 hp can't even break 120 i like to know why as well. I am barely making 500 and i breaking 120 something doesn't add up. you can say keeps saying i have dct and that why i am getting up there but really under 500 and gaining 5 mph compared to car making over 80+ more hp than me.

[IMG]

Originally Posted by akh23456

i am not directing this at any of the ess customers it was toward the Ess guys at the company(Aj and Roman). I have alot of respect for the other kit out there like i said to you on sunday. When people start trashing something you worked hard to get and just try to rip everything it gets annoying. I hope you understand that and i am not trying to bash you or anyone else with a ess kit. The kit is amazing and making more power on dynos but they only car to show some real results is Drew ess car at 130. The rest of the "600" hp car or even 530 hp can't even break 120 i like to know why as well. I am barely making 500 and i breaking 120 something doesn't add up. you can say keeps saying i have dct and that why i am getting up there but really under 500 and gaining 5 mph compared to car making over 80+ more hp than me.

i totally get where u coming from andd as i said it before,each vendor/customer respect and backs what hes got and theres nothing wrong about that.I wont know what i would trap since ive never been to a strip with this car but may b in the near future.u,LM,M33 and i can go have some fun and c what we can put down.

[m33]

Akash If your car was a 6mt your trap would have been a 119 120mph on the 124mph you trapped .. period . Do some research .

Your dct uses 5 gears and 4 shifts in the quarter each shift is .010 millisecs 4 shifts equals 0.4to 0.5 secs .
6MT ... Reall good shifter .07 secs per shift , MT uses 4 gears in the 1/4 mile 3 of them are shifts multiply .07 to 3 shifts you get 2.1 secs lost , now if you had 2.1 secs more in a run you don't think it's good for an additional 5mph ???

Common man let's wake up and smell the coffee , not only is it good for 5mph dct is guaranteed to put a good 2&1/2 cars on a 6mt from a first gear roll with equal or close to equal power ...

[Nate@IND]

Guys just go drive and enjoy the kits. AA or ESS.

[Omar@ActiveAutowerke]

Originally Posted by Nate@IND

Guys just go drive and enjoy the kits. AA or ESS.

[Tom@SonicMS]

Originally Posted by img

This is not true in this thread Akash, all what i did is post some graphs based on facts and asked for some answers and i got attacked by AA which got squared away and its fine, ur car is running fine and i said it looks great and complimented u on ur kit. now things got elevated and of course each person/vendor will protect what he represent or what’s he’s running and its not hate or bash its about some clarifications.
Thanks Akash !!

It funny how this thread pops out because I have told PG that he can post the dyno of my car with a notes stating that my car wasn't probably running right due to the interference with the delete-r, causing an O2 fault on the DME.

I had told him that posting the dyno chart could be misleading to a lot of people and cause drama, which in fact it did.

It is very unfair to AA, that because of our fault of forgetting to removed the delete-R, they got the blame for it. I told him to wait to post the Dyno on the dyno database until we got time to re-dyno again. I work 6 days a week and i sometimes i don't have time to just go out and leave the shop. There are far more important things to do than just proving to everyone how much power my car makes.

I've been in business for almost 10 years and i've been working with active since the E46 M3 era. They are nothing but professional company to work with.

I could care less if my car makes less power than the VT1, dyno doesn't mean anything to me, I spent my money on company that has great customer service, excellent product and don't come on the forum act like a 5 year old.

Both kit has their weakness and advantages. Let just leave it at that.

All this drama is really unnecessary, i think a lot of people might agree with me.

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[Tom@SonicMS]

Originally Posted by Nate@IND

Guys just go drive and enjoy the kits. AA or ESS.

^+1 seriously.. sigh..

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[tazam3]

Originally Posted by img

seriously tho,ive never met u but i heard that ur getting a 3rd built .hey,theres nothing wrong about that since u cant get it tunned,keep chassing power and with a standalone ECU ur ABS,SRS AND ETC................ wont work.
trust me when i say this,if i wanted a 1000+ HP i wouldve got a Mustang that will make ur E46 looks like it goin in reverse with the cute 1000hp 680tq.and if u dont believe me,bring it by and u might learn a lesson or two.

A 3rd build? What are you smoking? Either you like the make things up (pretty obvious at this point) or you have some messed up friends that tell you bs. I wont even get into the details of my car, I definitely wouldnt even compare it to yours. So don't flatter yourself.

Cant get it tuned? My standalone power curves are MUCH smoother then yours. LOL, keep chasing power? I already make over a 1000hp unlike your < 600whp. Actually I made more power then you with my bolt on supercharger kit 6 years ago when ESS couldnt even make a kit... I ran a 123mph trap (with my manual transmission AA supercharged S54 no DCT excuse here) at LACR 6 years ago! Now some ESS cars can hardly break 117mph traps?

Its the same story with ESS and some of their loyal payroll customers, they make up things. Its just a car, dont let your insecurities manipulate you to make things up or constantly bash others.

I think everyone knows this but if a Mustang can make me look like im going in reverse, that same Mustang will make your car look 10x times worse.

How much TQ does your V8 have again lmao?

Just pathetic man, someone told me your cool in person but I dont believe that with your constant pathetic posts trying to make people look bad with nonfactual comments.

[Tom@SonicMS]

Originally Posted by akh23456

i am not directing this at any of the ess customers it was toward the Ess guys at the company(Aj and Roman). I have alot of respect for the other kit out there like i said to you on sunday. When people start trashing something you worked hard to get and just try to rip everything it gets annoying. I hope you understand that and i am not trying to bash you or anyone else with a ess kit. The kit is amazing and making more power on dynos but they only car to show some real results is Drew ess car at 130. The rest of the "600" hp car or even 530 hp can't even break 120 i like to know why as well. I am barely making 500 and i breaking 120 something doesn't add up. you can say keeps saying i have dct and that why i am getting up there but really under 500 and gaining 5 mph compared to car making over 80+ more hp than me.

Hmm, i would like to know as well. The car should trap faster than you if he's making more power. Could be the DCT..

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[chris s]

Originally Posted by Darwin@SonicMS

I spent my money on company that has great customer service, excellent product and don't come on the forum act like a 5 year old.

The 5 year old part is debatable...and NO, i don't even own an ESS kit!

[tazam3]

Originally Posted by Darwin@SonicMS

It funny how this thread pops out because I have told PG that he can post the dyno of my car with a notes stating that my car wasn't probably running right due to the interference with the delete-r, causing an O2 fault on the DME.

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Signature PG, acts like he is innocent and neutral when he couldn't be anymore biased or manipulative (for ESS's cause).

[m33]

Originally Posted by Nate@IND

Guys just go drive and enjoy the kits. AA or ESS.

Yes it is ....
Line up boyzz
introducing
KO Vincenzo

Home run Tommy

The AA driver being hauled away


The ESS getaway VT650 car with major wheel spin


ROFL

[tazam3]

Im going to quote AJ a bit from some older threads, so some people can understand the past... We have known for years that they play with dyno numbers. We also know they give plenty of their customers smaller pulleys, "race" software etc... The level they go to for showing off dyno charts is incredible.

Originally Posted by Asbjorn

he runs a slightly smaller (100mm) pulley instead of the normal 103mm pulley the VT1 is supplied with(usually +10whp with no software modifications)

The very high horsepower ESS cars you see dynos from run a more aggressive tune similar to the beta test tune. We only supply this tune to our dealers for testing, race teams or customers that fully understand the risks involved with reducing what we find are proper safety margins.

Here is Roman posting the same E92 graph they just posted up a few pages on this thread as a S54 supercharger dyno chart.

Originally Posted by ROM3N

ESS VT3 supercharged S54: pump fuel / Vortech blower

Its ok though, since Roman is the new sales guy "this was an accident by a new sales guy." LMAO

There is so much more, there is 1 old thread on another forum that just has too much information about ESS's manipulations. I wont do it out of respect for Drew mainly...

[akh23456]

so can i get this straight so my bolt on m3 that put that 113 with 13.X time. Is not the same as all these 6-mt with bolt ons that ran similar times because of my dct. yea ok?( Sc really makes a big difference then huh) And your assuming that all 6-mt owners can't drive or always missed a shift highly unlikely but could be possible. All i can say from facts is that i am the fastest e90 m3 at the strip in the northeast with only 499 whp compared to the 5XX whp ess kits only running 119 max.

[Beedub]

hi guys

i have a z4m with the vt2-500 system....... it makes great power, really pleased with it, i REALLY dont wish to get caught up in this arguement but as my car has to go back to the tuner for my new s/c unit to put on, ill ask them to throw the car on the dyno again and ill get a proper print out, the car makes really good power and im confident it'll make 450rwhp.... its not as much as the e92 platform but with the lower weight the car feels Very fast indeed.... ill get you guys some s54 numbers.....

next year ill be building the vt3 spec for this car...... Really looking forward to that.

ill post some s54 numbers next week in this thread once i get to simpson.....

[sales@ESSTuning]

Originally Posted by akh23456

i am not directing this at any of the ess customers it was toward the Ess guys at the company(Aj and Roman). I have alot of respect for the other kit out there like i said to you on sunday. When people start trashing something you worked hard to get and just try to rip everything it gets annoying. I hope you understand that and i am not trying to bash you or anyone else with a ess kit. The kit is amazing and making more power on dynos but they only car to show some real results is Drew ess car at 130. The rest of the "600" hp car or even 530 hp can't even break 120 i like to know why as well. I am barely making 500 and i breaking 120 something doesn't add up. you can say keeps saying i have dct and that why i am getting up there but really under 500 and gaining 5 mph compared to car making over 80+ more hp than me.

If you go back and read thru this thread you will see that we had nothing to do with it until Jean, Taza and Omar decided to turn a dyno discussion thread into a thread about how the Active air / air cooling system is superior to our air / water out of nowhere. Not sure why they decided to go this direction but my guess is it was to take the focus off of the original topic. At this point the thread did take a turn for the worse.

akh im glad you like your kit but you do need to realize that you ran a 1/4 mile 5 mph slower than DLSJ5 who runs our VT2 @ 7-7.5 psi. I would expect that if you are going to compare your performance to another supercharged M3 it should at least be the same transmission type. Im not sure why but you keep ignoring DLSJ5's 130 mph trap and Mikewads trap of 126 mph with his VT2 @ 6 psi "575 hp". If it is because you are having trouble finding them I have added the links for you.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=451785

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...ight=ess+1%2F4

As far as dyno's go we really no longer need to post in-house dyno's because our customers post up enough of their own. All you have to do is a simple search on this forum and you will find that the dyno's our customers post are usually higher than the ones we post on our website. Taza you can keep trying to create a conspiracy theory if you need to fill your day with something but the problem for you is that unless you are calling all of our customers who post their dyno's cheater's your Active propaganda does not hold much value.

For guys who want to compare real world results and ignore dyno's ESS VS Active let me recap for you. As of today no Active supercharged E9X M3 has run a faster trap then these two ESS supercharged DCT cars. Also no Active supercharged E9X M3 has come close to our customers DCT 60-130 time of 6.7 sec / manual 7.8 sec times. These two measurements seem to have become the standard for measuring how much power your car has and I believe they are a good measurement.

For guys that want to talk reliability we have now sold over 250 E9X M3 superchargers worldwide. Many of our kits are used as pure track cars and some are used as daily drivers. The one thing they all have in common is they have all been extremely reliable and we have yet to have a blown or damaged motor.

Any Active employee "Jean" or customer who would like to bring their Supercharged E9X M3 out to Arizona this summer and run our desert test track in 110-115 deg temps against our car please feel free to email or PM me and we will not only make the arrangements but also pay for the transportation of your vehicle and lodging. This is how we test our products and we would be more than happy to compare not only our cooling system but overall performance under extreme conditions.

[Green-Eggs]

Just some public info about Active

Active has been established for 30 years in the US. They have a very knowledgeable & friendly staff. Correct me if I'm wrong but Active has over 20 full-time team members. Their level of experience with BMW is vast as they offer a full array of products & services for most BMW models.

ESS

Roman is in the US. Read that AJ goes back & forth between the US & Europe. You send the ECU to one address & now have a different business address. Not sure how many people work there. Looks like they only offer supercharger kits & software.


Let's say both products are great but I want piece of mind if something ever goes wrong.

Also, I prefer real world numbers vs dyno numbers. Each car is only capable of so much without other modifications to support the related parts.

[Mason3]

I feel like people are pretty smart and able to see through some of these posts. I also realize that it is human nature to want to defend people you feel are friends. The AA fans are feeling like they are being attacked because people are saying their kits don't make the power, etc. The ESS fans are feeling like they are being attacked because people are saying their intercooler design isn't as good or their trap times aren't fast enough, etc.

If you take a step back and examine just the facts, it becomes pretty clear.

At the end of the day, when you are alone in your home deciding which kit to put on your $60K+ E90/E92 that you spent your hard earned money on (and you also don't want any problems with hardware, tune, motor, etc), ESS clearly has the win. People decide with their money. They put their money where their mouth is. Most people have decided that the ESS kit is the most reliable and best designed kit out there for the E90/E92. That is a fact not an opinion.

Disagree with me? Check these threads first:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=436070

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=485447