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well of course it is; it needs the higher compression ratio to make up for its smaller displacement. if you read my post again, you'll see that my point was simply that a PART of the reason (and I didn't even say a big part) that the M3 gets worse mileage than a vette is because of the added weight.
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And using a 0-60 time as your yardstick is really really narrow. A ZR1(and probably the new Z06) will run with a Turbo S on a track.
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example: is the turbo S really worth double the price of a Z06? how can you quantify what kind of performance you need for a car that costs twice as much? do you need twice the performance? if so, what does that mean? if the Vette costs half as much as the Turbo S, which does 0-60 in 2.6 seconds, does the Vette therefore only have to make it to 60 in 5.2 seconds to have the same bang-for-the-buck? you can see where I'm going here. it's a subjective concept that could be debated forever. you could say that the turbo S does have better bang-for-the-buck, and I couldn't objectively prove you wrong. having said that, I'm confident that the majority of people who know anything about cars would agree that the Vette provides better bang-for-the-buck performance than the turbo S. again, doesn't make you wrong, just makes you part of a minority with different values (sounds like you're a baller that has owned some exceptional cars). 0-60 is such a small part of the picture too, btw. the GT-R would certainly prove to be better bang-for-the-buck if that's the only dimension on which you choose to evaluate performance. the Vette's front-engine RWD layout puts it at an obvious disadvantage from a dig, and the differences narrow thereafter. |
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The Corvette has always been a great bang for the buck and it does have an eye-catching shape. However, it also has low budget a rent-a-car interior design and, IMO, a bit of a sleazy owner image.
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Also, it would be helpful to indicate which Corvette you have owned when talking about performance. On a final note, I would indeed feel comfortable pulling up next to a $165k Turbo S in a $90k GTR. |
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with respect to pricing, first off you can't look at performance alone. that's one dimension of a road car. quality, practicality, longevity, style, brand, exclusivity, etc. all play a role. furthermore, the manufacturer's cost on a car is irrelevant - the market price is all that matters. and sure, a low-production car will fetch a premium, but that's not because the manufacturer can't afford to sell it for less (i.e. because it doesn't have the cost efficiencies of higher production volumes). It's because consumers are willing to pay a premium for the exclusivity. |
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Sounds good. I'm not trying to be disagreeable because I'm not a Corvette fan and I love 911s(though I have never owned one). I envy you having a Turbo S. I was debating between that and the upgraded GTR and just couldn't rationalize the extra money for a slight performance gain and that the 991 is right around the corner.
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As far as the Corvette goes, I have only owned a base model. However, my old man owns a Will Cooksey Z06 and a '10 ZR1. I have seat time in both. I'll admit that they both provide very good acceleration and handle quite well. They are indeed a great bang for the buck car. In my opinion, they just do not have the build quality of the Porsche. It is no accident that Porsche has been at or near the top of J.D. power quality surveys the last several years. Again, I respect the Corvette but prefer Porsche. On the GTR, see my two previous posts. It wasn't included in the gentleman's post to whom I responded. As I said, I am considering it as my next purchase. Pulling up next to a Turbo S at a stop light would almost come down to driver skill. However, I'd still give the edge to the Turbo S stock to stock. |
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^^^^very sweet
If you don't like weird noises and rattling the GTR may not be the car for you. I swear both my GTRs were/are ready to explode (not in a good way) every time I get behind the wheel (especially driving leisurely) but they don't. Though you should still buy one. It's acceleration is something else.
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Although this seems like the cool, awesome, HP fanatic thing to do I do not agree with it at all. When speaking of the ZR1, I feel we are leaving the "bang for your buck" category and getting up there in the $$$ category. It's performance numbers are truly amazing, however, I have yet to experience the awesomeness that this car provides. Where can 638 hp really be experienced? A lot of members chime in saying the ZR1 is more of a garage queen and I completely agree with that. Ok here it comes, everyone ready for this? Being 22 (I am young and I am fortunate enough to experience some of the capabilities of these cars) I truly appreciated the Z06 over the ZR1. I do not like driving the ZR1. It makes me very nervous. It is not the HP it is just the $$$ amount of the thing I am driving (I try and respect cars). I would probably feel the same way in any 6 figure car (example Turbo S) as I cannot afford any mishaps in vehicles like these. This, in my honest opinion, took away from the joy that the Z06 offered. (75k and 505 of NA HP) |
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I apologize for the additional post but this is what I originally wanted to ask.....
I see quite a bit of attention in regards to stripped down M3's, lightweight versions, no options etc., in order to perform as an ultimate track car correct? But then the Corvettes seem to be criticized due to their basic interiors. I am confused. For those enthusiasts looking for the stripped down, light weight, no options, no back seat M3's; I would like to as if the criticisms on the Vette's interiors are truly justified? We may have a half and half audience (I for one like my fully loaded heavy a$$ luxury coupe!) but those that don't care about the interior amenities seem to judge the Corvette's interior very harshly. Does this not seem hypocritical? |
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As to the original post, the Vette continues to improve and I think GM is on the right track with it and other cars they produce. I'm not saying I'll never have another Corvette, but for now I like the GTR. |
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