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Good discussion
Jussi: Clearly you realize the oxymoronic nature of the above comment! Dealers are best known for inaccurate and not up to date information.
However, I am still buying the timeline of US deliveries in 2007 for the E92 M3. South: I don't think you can conclude that no FEP cars present in the US means definitively that there can not be US deliveries in 2007. I think the 6M only at first, then DSG later skipping or not offering SMG sounds very suspect/unlikley to me. They are using most of the M5 engine, probably the diff as well, why not the SMG III and just make it most of the drivetrain? If SMG will not be available this is all brand new news inconsistent with everything known/assumed/published/speculated to date. Everything has said 7 speed SMG (SMG III?). No SMG followed by no DSG for some time along with no US delivery in 2007 is going to be a serious bummer, if true. Ugh. |
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But development of DSG seems to take longer than expected. So they start with the manual and the DSG will follow when it's ready. Best regards, south |
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02-16-2007, 01:54 PM | #26 |
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Reasonable
All sounds pretty reasonable. I'm just praying for the other side of reasonable. I guess I would not mind waiting for DSG. Again it appeals to my mpg/green side as well. DSG+DGI would actually deliver some nice mpg! Ugh I said that again didn't I...
Also is jimmern some insider? When I read posts I usually don't know Jack from Jill or their reputation. Cheers. |
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02-16-2007, 02:06 PM | #27 |
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mpg benefits (a bit OT...)
I have heard up to a 20% improvement for DGI and about 10% for DSG in mpg. With the E60 M5 mpg of 12/18 we need it! I would love to see 20's for both city/highway.
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02-16-2007, 02:11 PM | #28 | |
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Many people throw in a jigsaw piece and gradually things start to make sense. But most sense would make the official BMW announcement!! When, BMW, when??? Best regards, south EDIT: I would also hope for some fuel saving measurements. But I came to the conclusion that if I wanted a good consumption the only car to choose is the 335i. But damn, that M3 is so hot, cant miss it... |
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02-16-2007, 02:19 PM | #29 | |
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Your information is certainly not strict evidence like you said, and actually completely FALSE - the first week of production of the E92 M3 will be in May. THE CARS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ORDERED. As it turns out, options can be changed on the 3 cars that have been ordered here yet, but the showroom-requirement of 2 months and the usage of the first car as a test drive/demo vehicle remain facts. Options list has not been published yet, neither have the tech specs, but this is usual when they start taking orders for the first production cars before the actual release of the car has happened. That will happen very shortly. They have already picked out the colors for the cars as well - initially there will be only 2 colors available for the release weeks of the E92 M3 (note this when it comes out and tell me if I was right.) - Interlagos Blue and a apparently some new shade of black (or perhaps Black Sapphire.) 2 of the cars that have been ordered here that will be produced in May will be Interlagos Blue, one will be black - that's the one that would be available for me - another bummer, as I would definitely want a blue one. Best regards, Jussi Last edited by JK42; 02-16-2007 at 02:35 PM.. |
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02-16-2007, 02:20 PM | #30 |
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I have the number one spot at my dealer, but I will be forced to wait if the car does not have SMG or DSG at launch here in the US.
I would never again get a sporty car with a true auto (I used to own a C32 AMG but I hated the tranny even though it was probably one of the better auto trannys from a performance standpoint), but I just do not want to go back to three pedals if I can avoid it with SMG or DSG. I have had enough of MT cars (but would have to make an exception if I go with the 997 instead ). |
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02-16-2007, 02:22 PM | #31 | |
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The SMG takes no more space than a regular manual gearbox even on the M5. Just look at the spare parts catalog that's available online. No problems fitting it into the Hartge H50. SMG gearbox cars will be produced shortly after the first manual cars have rolled off the line. On the E46 M3, the SMG used the same clutch and everything else like the manual gearbox. Just added the electronics for the SMG. Best regards, Jussi |
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Hey Jussie,
Any idea when technical specs are released? Or will they be released when the whole damn car is relaesed? Maybe a matter of weeks now? Please shine some light here, thanks for your fine comments overhere, Regards Romo |
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02-16-2007, 03:26 PM | #34 | |
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See http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46805 Unless the guy was simply lying, that means no M3 in the US in 2007 period, and possibly no sedan at all. Now granted the guy was not Tom Purves, but he was a real BWWexecutive. Last edited by ILC32; 02-16-2007 at 05:15 PM.. |
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02-16-2007, 04:10 PM | #35 | |
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It's not about who has "better sources of information." People here share their expectations and opinions aswell as the rumours they heard. I did only tell what I've heard/read/seen. Unlike you I have no problem if somebody proves me wrong. But at this time nobody of us can really prove anything. Although the information I got doesn't correspond to your's I respect your info and you should do the same. Just don't take it too personal that I didn't praise you to the skies. Best regards, south |
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02-16-2007, 04:20 PM | #36 | |
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Could this simply be a matter of the US market selling a "model year 2008" when it's 2007, always one year ahead on all cars? Perhaps he had said something like, "there won't be an M3 until model year 2008" ? Which would still make it available in 2007. I really have a hard time believing the U.S. wouldn't be getting a lot of E92 M3's during 2007, since major part of the manufacturing capacity is already reserved for the U.S. market, thus reducing the cars available on the European market. Even with the new M5, the first model year saw Finland getting a quota of 25 cars, so just 3 cars with the new M3 is really, really low. The only comparison would be the first model year of M6 which also saw Finland get only 3 cars. But since the M6 cost over 180-190.000 euros with options, that was more understandable, since there wouldn't be that many buyers to begin with. The M5 has sold quite well over here, and so has the M3, especially considering how relatively over-priced they are due to heavy car taxes. They oversell Audi S/RS models about 5:1. Best regards, Jussi |
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Perhaps you could ask him how come BMW is taking orders in their internal ordering system for E92 M3 cars in 2 colors at this point for production week slots allocated in May 2007? Best regards, Jussi |
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02-16-2007, 04:57 PM | #39 |
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According to my notes international launch for the new M3 Coupe is still the IAA in Frankfurt this coming September . With european sales commencing afterwards and if any delays - late 2007. USA sales are still down for Spring 2008. How you are getting demo cars when the production car marketing photography and film shoot has not even commenced yet ?
I am sorry but i can access BMW network and I do not find any customer/dealer information out of the internal structure for ordering the M3 as the status still remains "in development". and classified within BMW AG. All dealers will have to go with is advance material but not full specifications . |
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Hi Jussi and others, I want to interject here and thank those that bring helpful info to the forum that we wouldn't otherwise have. No sense in beating up anyone for trying to help. I always look forward to reading someone's QUALIFIED information. I believe Jussi , SCOTT26, and others appear to be QUALIFIED. Unfortunately , the two listed above offer differing info. We ALL want the M3 here, now! Don't beat up these guys because it might not be what you want to hear. I know I usually don't post, I just read, but that is because I truly don't have any pertinent info to offer. Maybe others could reduce their tendencies to post for the sake of posting...
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I can't do that because I do not know him personally. He gave a presentation I attended, and I had a chance to ask him some questions. I got his full name from another attendee -- Martin Birkmann. He is currently M Brand Manager for BMW NA.
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02-16-2007, 08:15 PM | #43 |
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Like I keep telling you all. I love BMW cars, but the production cycle that they have for their cars are just stupid. We have been waiting for the M3 for how long now, and now they say they aint ready yet..bull shit...Lexus got them scared and so does benz... ..not that I would buy either, I wouldn't for any reason.....but to continue to space out the damn introductions does not help.. they have been talking about the E93 convertible for months now.. .no prices...bs, get on the fricking ball BMW...:mad: ...because I would buy a porsche and not skip a beat this I promise, and a used 911...is still on par
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You tell Martin that I've got a WOMD and I'm not afraid to use it if the M3 isn't for sale in the US by the end of this year. Got that!?
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