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Guys, thanks for pointing out that it's not OK to offend each other. It's pretty cool that foosh didn't feel offended, but this doesn't make fpblue's comment more appropriate. Hence as a general reminder, Swamp's 'friendly advice' is dead on. Further offences or attacks won't be tolerated and are subject to warnings or infractions.
Now we can happily get back to topic. Thanks! Best regards, south
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You really come across as a massive fanboy choosing a couple of SUVs over a sports sedan. Last edited by jaiman; 10-07-2009 at 03:15 PM.. |
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10-07-2009, 04:10 PM | #48 | |
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the s4 is not a sport sedan and it doens't look exciting. so sorry, but I have to choose an SUV over it if I want one for winter. there is no point whatsoever to choose an s4 due to awd because there are so many other awd that can do the same. 60k for an S4 is a huge rib off btw. I saw you defended footie in other thread, so I guess you like audi more. That's why you ignored the part where I mentioned x6 35i and 50i and called me a fanboy. x6 35i is 55k MSRP which is about the same price as the s4 |
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10-07-2009, 06:48 PM | #50 | |
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Well I found his condescending laughter at my post very offensive and rude. He was basically saying that my comments were not thought out and idiotic. It is one thing to disagree with what I write, but quite another to say "Illogical" and mockingly laugh at me as though he is omniscient and I am ignorant. Is it ok to mock another poster? If you guys are going to be the political correctness police, at least enforce it equally.
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10-07-2009, 07:59 PM | #51 | |
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10-07-2009, 09:33 PM | #53 | |
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The guy just decided to be rude and I decided to respond in like. No big deal.
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10-07-2009, 09:37 PM | #54 |
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As I previously said, I was neither offended, nor worked up. The only thing that caused the moderator intervention here was the childish sentence above. As far as I'm concerned, everything else was just spirited, but civil discussion and normal difference of opinion. That sentence did offend others, who I don't even know, and they expressed that.
I plead guilty to using an "LOL," in response to one post, but it wasn't an "MLOL" It's over. Peace out!
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And my period sentence was not childish, but said in sarcastic jest. It was hardly an attack meant to offend Foosh or the NOW (National Organization of Women). People need to lighten up a bit (not Foosh).
A few times I've been asked if I was on my period and I just laugh. Some scientists actually believe that men do get a monthly "period". It's not biologically the same, but mental. Men get extra cranky at certain times of the month. Who knows?
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10-07-2009, 09:47 PM | #56 | |
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10-07-2009, 09:59 PM | #57 | |
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Now, I have to ask you and the previous poster a couple of questions. Don't snow tires give some people the same false sense of security as AWD? Isn't the problem with extra traction in slippery conditions the fact that some people push it too far? Some would say that the safest people are those on lousy tires in the snow just creeping along. When I lived in Minnesota 15 years ago, I drove an E36 M3 on snow tires, except when it got too deep. We had a saying in Minnesota that the only difference between AWD/4WD and 2WD in such conditions was that the former went off-road at 65, while the latter went off-road at 35.
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10-07-2009, 10:08 PM | #58 | |
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Yes, I agree that winter tires do give people a false sense of security just like AWD and SUVs. Nothing can beat the laws of physics. That said, if you are looking to get around in the snow with the M3, it can be done with a good set of winter tires. As long as you don't drive like a nut and think you are invincible. The combination of the tires and the DSC really make this car decent in the snow. If you are really really concerned about the snow, then I would get an AWD car and invest in winter tires, as you will have the best defense against the elements.
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10-07-2009, 11:10 PM | #59 | |
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i already respond to op question. m3, but for deep snow...x6 what exactly have you contributed other than bashing bmw and calling everything audi golden. the 335i is ok. s4 is ok. but I would pick the x6 over them both. m3 over them all. |
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10-08-2009, 06:48 AM | #60 | |
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P.S. Check more of my posts and you will see that while I do discuss Audi products I stick up for BMW and the M3 more than most, like here and here as two examples, the only difference is I criticize when needed and tell it as I see it instead of singing praises all of the time. |
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10-08-2009, 08:28 AM | #61 | |
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If you want AWD get the S4 since Audi's AWD blows away BMW's. Audi build performance AWD cars, BMW builds "utility" AWD cars and performance RWD cars. (This is a generalization - no flames please). Since you are sersiously considering the S4, if you decide you don't need RWD, I would also consider the 335i in addition to the M3. You've already said that you are trying to be money conscious here, which is why I think the 335i is worth a look - and you can get the MSport package for some uniqueness as well. Don't get caught up to much in the debates about the capabilities of M3/S4/335i. Just go drive them and see for yourself. If you are looking at the M3 coupe, I would skip the S4 altogether for sure and instead look at the S5 (I think you still get the V8 there, whice is a bonus in my book, although fuel economy will be much more M3-like than the S4 or S5 cab). |
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10-08-2009, 08:29 AM | #62 | |
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AWD and snow tires are at opposite poles in terms of "false sense of security". The difference is that snow tires give consistent traction no matter what you're doing. Launching, cornering, braking - it's all the same, so to speak. On the other hand, AWD allows for brisk launches, giving the driver a sense of heightened traction where none exists. Therefore the driver's expectation leads him or her to drive more quickly than they otherwise would, and since there is essentially no difference in cornering between AWD and 2WD, and obviously all cars have four wheel braking, so no benefit to AWD there, disaster awaits. Guess how I know this? After a couple of close calls in our first AWD (an '87 Audi 100S), dim thoughts began to penetrate my thick skull, and I backed off. The fact that I didn't have an accident was sheer luck. Bruce |
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I called you a fan boy because you would prefer an SUV to a sports sedan as long as the SUV is made by BMW (and I've seen enough of your posts to know you'd never consider the FX). And no, I don't prefer BMW to Audi. I like cars, not car makers. I'd like to think this forum is a place for can enthusiasts who happen to own a BMW (or are looking to buy one), but it seem to be becoming a BMW enthusiasts site only. Footie, Bruce, Swamp and many others are actually car enthusiasts. |
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If I may I will pick you up on a couple of points regarding AWD (regardless of brand). Yes it provides brisk takeoffs that are possible in 2WD cars front or rear and does make people think that the conditions aren't as bad as they genuinely are, but on cornering the two do differ, rwd will ultimately continue the tail round and fwd will continue understeering if the throttle isn't controlled but AWD will first shift power to the rear and then control between the axles in a four wheel drift, the arch will increase if the power is increased. Here's a video showing a drift and the power being shifted during drifting. I'm solely using this video (sorry it's an Audi) because it shows the power shifting best. The other advantage the AWD car has over either form of 2WD car and the major one when conditions are slippy like snow is braking, and before anyone says that ain't right let me finish, AWD cars has all four contact patches during engine braking where as 2WD only have two. Engine braking is very important in snow and seldom used by AWD drivers. If not used correctly then like you said there is no difference during normal braking between all of them and disaster awaits ahead. One thing that everyone purchasing any form of AWD car should do is an AWD advanced driving course, you would be amazed as to how much control is on offer compared to 2WD but only when those skills learned are put into practice. |
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10-08-2009, 09:45 AM | #65 | |
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or just because one doesn't like your S4, then they are a fanboy. wow. did I ever said I picked the x6 over the s4 from a performance perspective? LOL let's just forget about which one is sport or not or which has better performance. I think the x6 is more exciting to look at than the s4 and for the money, I feel is is more car than the s4, so i will pick it. I'm sure many people buy a car based on look as it is the most important part of the purchase decision (otherwise, we would all be driving some rav4 or crv right now). now you probably hate the x6, but I like it. does that make me a fanboy? how? like I said it before and I'm gonna say it again. the op mentioned he wanted a car that does good in snow. so I suggested him the x6. awd, turbo, higher ground clearance, more storage. the x6 is no slouch. go test drive one and you may end up with one cause it handle very well for an SUV. plus it looks handsome/unique. unlike the generic S4. but if he really want a saloon, then m3 over the s4 any days. they are not on the same performance level IMO. you must be kidding. check all my post and you can see i even suggest infiniti ex35, fx35, etc to other members. I'm really dig infiniti design. I honestly would take the fx35/fx50 over the s4 any days. fx and x6 are best looking SUV in my book. merc g55 amg are sick, and cayenne is not too bad especially the turbo is aggresive looking. I'm not attracted to any other SUV. oh and I think the ford edge is not bad looking for the price. do you really think if someone doens't like audi like how you wanted them to think of audi, then they are not car enthusiast? somehow your argument doesn't make too much sense. |
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10-08-2009, 10:09 AM | #66 | |
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i'm not hating on audi. I think the forum should be a place for one to express their critique be it audi or whatever. Like in the entire bmw line up, I like the m3, z4m coupe, and x6. the rest are decent, but I would buy those three before consider them. for audi, I think all their car are decent and the s5, rs4, r8 are very good. but I think they are a bit over priced for what they do. take the s4 and the m3 for example. for pretty much the same price, I would buy the m3 over it because it is more car to me both from look and performance perspective. the r8 v8 is 150k in canada, you can have gt3 for that money and still have some left to play. from a performance stand point, that make no sense whatsoever and the 997.2 gt3 look more exciting compare to the r8. throw in 20k and you get yourself one sick vehicle... the 997.2 gt3 rs. some may think the r8 is the best looking vehicle produced in recent years as I have read some posts awhile back. but to me it is just due to the hype of new car. let's wait a few years and see if that is true. |
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