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So let me get this straight: -you have never driven , nor plan to drive a GTR -all reviews that show the Nissan winning a race off are marketing -you repeatedly misspelled "Zonda" in different posts the same way ("Zonga") yet it was a total accident Did I get that right? So why do you comment on something you refuse to experience first hand or accept the reviews of others second hand? There's some weird disconnect with you. |
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Sorry if i have mislead all of you with my spelling, i type fast and dont look back...however i can spell, eventhough you might think otherwise. Its cool As far as your 335 comment, why is it overpRICED? I dont believe so at all. But thats your opinion its all good. Actually i have a lot of respect for evos and stis, i LOVE them. My friend use to have a MR and i loved it!!! I believe they did pay every magazine off. Whatever honestly i dont even know why im wasting my time on here. Im done. Last edited by 1cleanm6; 04-28-2009 at 03:08 PM.. |
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04-28-2009, 01:35 PM | #179 | |
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I generally don't get uptight about spelling or punctuation because I make those mistakes all the time but I do think it's fair game when someone starts calling other people "idiots". |
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04-28-2009, 01:39 PM | #180 | |
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What I mean about overpaying is that you could buy a lot cheaper cars with the same or better performance and then tune them for less money and have a faster car. What you're saying about the GT-R makes no sense. Basically its like me saying the 335 is actually a 0-60 in 10secs car but BMW paid off all the road testers in the world to say it could crack 6secs. That's exactly what you're saying about the GT-R. It's nonsense. I believe a lot of the performance potential of the car is the ability of the chassis and electronics to flatter the driver but fact is it does the times. I would put money that you could stick me in a GT2 and then the GT-R and I would savage my GT2 time in the Nissan. And lets face it. We're not all race drivers so it's what we can actually do with the car that counts. Not what some racer can squeeze out of them. Put 1500bhp in a viper and the potential would be incredible but good luck to anyone trying to get a decent lap out of the thing. |
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04-28-2009, 01:52 PM | #181 | |
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550 hp with a true 100% "RWD like" AWD system under hard acceleration (for the loss calculation) in the straights is looking more likely than 530 hp. Oh well what is 80 hp among friends... Last edited by swamp2; 04-28-2009 at 02:16 PM.. |
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04-28-2009, 02:49 PM | #184 |
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Dragging a 335i into the topic and insulting it really doesn't apply to this thread.
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04-28-2009, 03:54 PM | #185 |
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GT-R Beautiful Car!
Saw one yesterday in Marina Del Rey, way down Bora Bora Drive parked outside the condos by the big yachts...Black on Black looked very good, menacing, huge wheels and exhaust...I liked! Would have taken a picture, but didn't have a convenient camera...I didn't get too close, I was parked nearby and just admired it for a minute. Wonder how it works as a daily driver? I think I'm better off in my E90 M3 in that regard, but it sure looks fun!
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04-28-2009, 04:18 PM | #186 |
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The M3 is actually sub 3500 lbs. This is well documented. I'd say that a 350-375 lb disparity is quite substantial.
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04-28-2009, 04:23 PM | #187 |
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Fuel and driver, i.e. reporting standard makes all of the difference. Those two together are ~250 lb. There is no E9X M3 sub 3500 with either driver and/or full of fuel.
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04-28-2009, 04:54 PM | #189 | |
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I know that two stock examples of the same car can throw up close to 4~5mph differences at these speeds. You need to check out some Youtube videos of even the new M3 and compare examples, you will see upto 10Km/h differences at 260~270km/h mark. Factor in a possible higher exit speed on to the straight and possible differences in wind speed and direction and it's very probable that such a speed difference could be seen. No need for a difference in power, what ever the true figure happened to be. P.S. I second the need for people to stop with the insults. All that does is close a thread and get people banned, and there has been enough of that lately. Last edited by footie; 04-28-2009 at 05:19 PM.. |
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04-28-2009, 04:54 PM | #190 |
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Emotional no, very off topic yes.
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04-28-2009, 05:15 PM | #191 |
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It may have been OT but it was deserved. It is a little strange that the voices of reason only come out after boosted got taken down a notch. I'm all for sticking to the topic but if someone is going to get insulting about a car choice I have made don't be surprised if I make an observation or two about their choice. |
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BMW figure includes fuel and passanger, and probably steel roof with sunroof and loaded DCT sedan. Meaning the worst case. A 6MT coupe with tech and pre package and full tank will weigh more like 3600lb. Take the fuel out and it will be < 3500lb.
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There was no insulting of the 335. I was merely pointing out that the comments being made about other cars actually also applied to his car. To be honest when someone is implying a car manufacturer is bribing magazines and car programmes around the world it's almost too hard not to get stuck in.
I couldn't care less what car anyone drives and have no in-built national pride based fanboyism as I'm from Ireland and we have no car industry. Other than that it was a post on the GT-R and led to arguments about the GT-R. Isn't that the point. Like rapistwit it was only after boost start calling people idiots that I felt it only fair to point out that someone doesn't appear to know basic English and I don't mean spelling. Read the first message to see what I mean. P.S. I love you all. |
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Honest Swamp I am not missing the point, I know that with each mph that the car puts on it takes longer and as both cars approach their peak speed the car that entered the corner slower will eventually close this initial speed difference. But I think you aren't taking into account all the other possibilities that will effect the overall outcome from each run.
Look at Suzuki's two runs, on the 7:38 lap he peaked at 177mph but on the 7:29 lap he hit 180mph, a small difference but when you are talked about this caliber of driver the exit speed on to the straight will not be measured in single mph units but in points of mph. So that 3 mph difference was probably all to do with the direction of the wind and the additional drag it was causing. I am telling you that it is highly likely that chris's car was little different in output from the one the Suzuki drove and the difference in peak speed was all determined by other factors, be it not getting on the power quite as soon as Suzuki, maybe difference wind conditions and possibly a slight variation in output but inside normal production guidelines. I think we all need to sit back and wait for both the press and Porsche to release their statements on these latest lap times before we either accept or disregard Nissan's times as true or fake. Last edited by footie; 04-29-2009 at 03:38 AM.. |
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Why is it no one ever questions times claimed by other manufacturers but now that Nissan have built a car that is challenging them for less money everyone is on the band wagon accusing them of cheating??? I, personally, think that every time posted by a manufacturer is a little (or lot) on the optimistic side. I've never owned a Nissan but have always had a hankerin' for a Skyline and now I have an urge in my trousers for the GT-R but I don't believe they are fudging their times any more than anyone else. As for your calculations for straightline speed based on exit speed, wind direction and velocity.... STOP My head is starting to hurt |
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04-29-2009, 10:08 AM | #198 |
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Thanks. I realize this. I was making a point that the M3 sans fuel and driver was sub 3500 lbs. Of course, it doesn't really matter much considering that it is relative. Although, I am not confident that each manufacturer measures their vehicle's weight in the same fashion. Sorry to get O.T.
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