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ams & sportauto tested the 2 cars like how they are. Who are YOU to say they cannot? They did it. Period. The 335i wasn't exactly basic to start with, it was the luxury version. And still the 335i wins (without M body/sports package) in Sportauto carmag. Do you read at all, or are you typing like hell and pushing 'enter' before you even think, footie? I'm just correcting you, because misinformation isn't right on a forum like this. The S4 is way more expensive EVEN if the 335i is loaded... |
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Word is now that it should be a N/A V8 hitting ~450bhp. As I showed in the other thread that is absolutely achievable from the V10 in the LP560-4. Then again, Audi have been known to test more than 1 type of engine. I also agree on the V8 TT route. It would require a lower revving engine, like the S5's V8 but I doubt they will use that. Perhaps they will derive a V8 TT from the RS6's V10 TT. Always been a perfectly good idea, except the front will be heavy again. For that reason I think it will be N/A V8.
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Also, for me the 335i would need the Msport kit. The S4 looks a lot better than standard A4, and the 335i should not look like standard 3 series.
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01-21-2009, 01:57 AM | #26 | |
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the price of the M package would have been less... 335i was equipped with 17"alloys and achieved the fastest ever Hockenheim Kurz laptime of all 335i's they ever tested(E90/92auto etc). Sportauto reckons it's because of the same tyrewidth of all the four wheels instead of the 225 in front and 255 at the rear(18") Anyway, I suppose you're right. Just wanted to stay to the facts. That's all. And I didn't have the sportkit on my ex 335i because I didn't like it at all(I love sleepers) and I didn't want them to think:Poser, it's not a real M3 at all. Just me. |
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01-21-2009, 02:09 AM | #27 |
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Guys can anyone confirm weight figures for the M3, RS4 and S5. Right now I've got (kerb) weights of the M3 and RS4 to be 1650kg and 1655kg respectively.
If this is the case, then imagine the RS5 lighter than the RS4 with the new MLP platform (better weight distribution) and more power
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01-21-2009, 03:21 AM | #28 |
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The new S4 3.0 supercharged(of which I was talking about in my former postings) weighs a mere 1789kgs(.....) compared to the 1640kgs for the M3 saloon which already is an elephant on wheels in my opinion. A weight distribution of F55.4/44.6R compared to more or less 51/49 for the BMW's and somewhat boring AWD don't make the new (R)S Audis my kind of driving inspired car, though they look GREAT, inside and outside.
I'll never buy one again, for sure, even if it has a thousand BHP. |
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Can anyone else confirm the 70kg, I understand Audi and BMW use different weight measuring methods, but is the difference definitely 70kg?
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I can understand why you may find awd boring, some people find turbos boring, the same for automatics, I myself haven't totally warmed to the peaky N/A engine in the M3. Point is that there is a car out there from everyone, for you it's currently the M3, for someone else it might be the 335i and another could be the S4. I personally wouldn't dismiss the S4 or any other car just because of my preference to another form of drivetrain because each application is different. I honest reckon that the TT-RS will be a better driving car than the M3, this might not mean that it will kick the tail out and hold it there for ever because no one drives like that 99.999% of the time, no I reckon it will be better because it's lighter, have better directional changing ability and should feel that bit more special as only a proper sportscar can. To you the thought of a fwd-biased awd system in a sportscar is absurd and that's your opinion but without trying something then how will you ever know for sure. |
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From www.rri.se (curb weights): 07 M3 Coupe - 1611kg 08 M3 Sedan - 1664kg 06 RS4 - 1736kg 07 RS4 - 1728kg So the RS4 is conservatively ~110kg heavier than the M3 Coupe in reality... |
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110kg is considerably more of a difference. I still think the lighter RS5 with MLP and more power will be a great match for the M3. It's just depending on how much lighter/balanced the RS5 will be and what engine they decide to use.
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The driving experience and how a thing performs should be everyones concern, not weight, weight balance or how many wheels are doing the driving. P.S. Lets face it, who hear would turn their nose up at a GT3. It's all about the driving and that is it. |
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I think the RS5 will be a winner looking at Audi's recent past performance models.
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Yep... the main reason I have a ///M instead. If they made that thing rear wheel drive I might consider one.
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Accelleration figures 335i: 0-100kmh:5.4 0-160kmh: 12.3 0-200kmh:20.5 which is a bit faster than a 335d ROFLOL The price as tested for the 335i: 58769,- euros(base 41850,-) Audi S4 3.0SC as tested: 67110,- euros(base 50850,-) still about 8500 euros difference.... The weight balance better should be F45/55R than F55/45R like many Audi's have. To each his own but weight balance is a very important thing for me because I want a car that does the handling well, not just only having a lot of torque/HP. Fun isn't a straight line for me. Just like a normal or low kerbweight is better than a heavy elephant... That's why a 580BHP RS6 is 9 out of 10 times slower on a track than our 'torqueless' 4.0 V8 equipped M3... And I know why. And yes I know as a DD I'm not every day on the track, but I know BMW's engineering is 'right'(only their elephant weight) and I don't live on the Northpole or near gravel roads either... For me I prefer a Caterham R500 to a Veyron and keep the change thank you very much. Quote:
About your TTRS thing: That's your opinion, footie, not mine. Could be a great car but I do not like the looks of it. Last edited by Robin_NL; 01-21-2009 at 10:44 AM.. |
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I know the world is a big place and neither NI or the USA isn't at it's centre. I know it's only my opinion about the TT-RS and few people on here will probably agree with me. But if I am right we will see some great times both on Hockhenheim and the Nurburgring, times which will more than match it to the likes of the M3. It might do things differently but result that always speaks volumes. |
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The laptime was 1:17.0(best 335i KK Hockenheim lap ever for Sportauto) for the E90 335i, not 1:18 footie. Ever read the article in Sportauto?It's in front of me....0.3 seconds slower, NOT 1.3!That's why you keep lying to yourself about the bloody 335d vs 335i man!
[edit censored sorry] You really think you are god? I'm an atheist. And I damn well know how to drive a S3 but if understeer occurs earlier than the Impreza. Do I really have to explain you everything? Last edited by Robin_NL; 01-21-2009 at 11:39 AM.. |
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WTH am I in these stupid threads about lame Audis anyway?(Just correcting footie on his misinformed postings...) My bad, won't happen again. Sorry guys.
fwiw:SPORTAUTO mag ISSUE 1/2009, the newest. E90 335i laptime 1:17 and the first on 17"wheels. A E92 335i did it in 1:17.8 and a E90 335i in issue 8 2007 1:18. |
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Sorry RH for getting it wrong, just looked upthe the info I could find and the only E90 time I could find was the 1:18.0.
I never said I was God but since you asked...... Neither was I telling you how to drive, only explaining how the S3 was different to the M3 and why it's prone to understeer more. P.S. I was sure I read that the first ever supertest of the 335i was the E92 and the lap time on both tracks were with 17". But if I am wrong then forgive me. |
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It's alright man. This is their first 17"wheel equipped 335i doing that 'powerlap' at Hockenheim according to Sportauto. The other ones were with the 225/255 18" wheels and 1:17.8 and 1:18....
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