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      08-25-2008, 02:17 PM   #1
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America's Best-Handling Car Part II (Motor Trend)

These are the results from America's Best-Handling Car from Motor Trend last year (Part I). The driver Max Angelelli, the track Laguna seca.

Porsche 911 GT3
Best lap (MIN:SEC): 1:39.517
81.0 mph avg
1.69g peak lateral acceleration

Chevrolet Corvette Z06
Best lap (MIN:SEC): 1:40.919
79.8 mph avg
1.57g peak lateral acceleration

Lotus Exige S
Best lap (min:sec): 1:45.818
76.1 mph avg
1.54g peak lateral acceleration

Porsche Cayman S
Best lap (min:sec): 1:47.577
74.9 mph avg
1.43g peak lateral acceleration

Mitsubishi Evolution IX MR
Best lap (MIN:SEC): 1:47.926
74.7 mph avg
1.36g peak lateral acceleration

BMW 335i
Best lap (min:sec): 1:49.038
73.9 mph avg
1.32g peak lateral acceleration

Mazdaspeed3 GT
Best lap (min:sec): 1:50.375
73.0 mph avg
1.31g peak lateral acceleration

Honda S2000
Best lap (MIN:SEC) : 1:50.738
72.8 mph avg
1.40g peak lateral acceleration

Mini Cooper S JC Works GP
Best lap (MIN:SEC): 1:51.733
72.1 mph avg
1.28g peak lateral acceleration

Honda Civic Si
Best lap (min:sec): 1:54.990
70.1 mph avg
1.55g peak lateral acceleration


Personally, I ran a 1:42.0 with the 996 GT3 on 2 years old RA-1, on my first and only track day at Laguna Seca. The traqmate data shows a 1:41.0 lap joining the best segments from the same track session. A friend was lapping at 1:41.0 that same day with a 996 GT3, the new owner of my GT3 just lapped at 1:41.x as well this past weekend. Another friend is lapping at 1:39s on Hoosier R6 and a 996 GT3.

Here is a video link to Part II of "America's Best-Handling Car". The Laguna Seca track results should be online this week. This time they hired Randy Pobst. I am a big fan of Randy Pobst, because he started as an autocrosser and moved up to Pro level, he always talks about how important is to run autocrosses to learn car control at the limits. Randy won 6 SCCA Solo/ProSolo National Championships.

Randy's opinion on the M3 is very impressive. He looks quite satisfied with the M3 handling. He drove the DCT M3 for this new test.

Video Link ==> http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtes...deo/index.html


The Part II contenders:

Audi R8 DSG
BMW M3 DCT
Chevy Cobalt SS
Viper ACR
Shelby GT500KR
Mazda RX-8
Mini Cooper-S
Evo X MR
Nissan GT-R
Porsche 911 Turbo

I'm very glad that the M3 shows up as the most comfortable car in the test, still the car performs quite well compared to sport cars.







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      08-25-2008, 02:28 PM   #2
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nice, thanks for posting
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Interesting comment from Randy about the harshness of the M-DCT and manu-autos.
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Cool, great information. The M3 is not the all out grip leader but it did dominate or place near the top in some categories.

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Interesting comment from Randy about the harshness of the M-DCT and manu-autos.
I'd bet he was using S5 or S6 for sure. If he doesn't like the harshness those modes provide S4 or S3 would be a much better choice. He admitted he is old and old school (albeit a great driver). I bet he did not experiment with the Drivelogic modes. A bit of a shame.
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Cool, great information. The M3 is not the all out grip leader but it did dominate or place near the top in some categories.



I'd bet he was using S5 or S6 for sure. If he doesn't like the harshness those modes provide S4 or S3 would be a much better choice. He admitted he is old and old school (albeit a great driver). I bet he did not experiment with the Drivelogic modes. A bit of a shame.
I should have also noted about the fact that he used the harshness to kick the tail out.I am also an "old guy" and I will be getting an M-DCT if the issues get ironed out but both my wife are tech hounds!
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Interesting comment from Randy about the harshness of the M-DCT and manu-autos.
It's that surge thing again, you are either a fan or you are not. Surge = Marmite.

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By the way, did you notice Max Angelelli only got 1:45 out of an Exige S at Laguna?
Yes. point ?
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I just rewatched the video and noticed that the test car was equipped with the sunroof.I guess that shows you that BMW was not too concerned about what the extra 44 lbs does to the handling performance as I have always thought!
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Yes. point ?
Didn't you pull a 1:42 in the Elise?
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Didn't you pull a 1:42 in the Elise?
Yes, but I had RA-1s and springs on my car. I didn't have the supercharger though that the car in the test had.

Its not an easy car to master and some need time to adjust to get the most out of it. I am sure he would have gone as fast as I did given more time in the car.
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Am I missing something? where are all the lap times around Laguna Seca?
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Am I missing something? where are all the lap times around Laguna Seca?
First post in this thread....
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First post in this thread....
first post show Part i of the test and the 335i. where are the part ii laps times?


on another note Randy noted he would prefer the MT over the DCT.
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... on another note Randy noted he would prefer the MT over the DCT.
Who cares what Randy has to say? Didn't he race an RS6 for awhile? He found nice things to say about that, too.
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on another note Randy noted he would prefer the MT over the DCT.
But he did say he wanted more time to "learn" how it works. The door was at least left slightly open.

"Fat" steering wheel comment was spot on. The wheel feels great, I used to think why would you bother upgrading the wheel, but now I understand.
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"Fat" steering wheel comment was spot on. The wheel feels great, I used to think why would you bother upgrading the wheel, but now I understand.
It's funny but I too like the FAT wheel and that surprised me coming from Audis and Porsches, two cars which have great steering wheels but decisionly on the thin side. I also prefer the feel of the leather on the M3's rim.
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It's funny but I too like the FAT wheel and that surprised me coming from Audis and Porsches, two cars which have great steering wheels but decisionly on the thin side. I also prefer the feel of the leather on the M3's rim.

Thats because most Porsche & Audi guys are not used to handling "large": things
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Thats because most Porsche & Audi guys are not used to handling "large": things
Oh, that was a bit personal. True thought, you must know my wife.
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Oh, that was a bit personal. True thought, you must know my wife.

At least it was a general comment not a specific one
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Great video....I wonder what lap times Randy was able to get in the M3....my guess is low 1:40's...maybe 1:42.... The GTR should be high 1:30's...like 1:39 and the Viper should be mid 1:30's...maybe 1:35......
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so where are the lap times!?



you know - had the car been a 6MT, CFR, dingle hump, with 18's he would have been faster by 4 seconds per lap!
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you know - had the car been a 6MT, CFR, dingle hump, with 18's he would have been faster by 4 seconds per lap!
At least that much.
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