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C&D G80 M3C vs Alfa Giulia QV
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...tion-compared/
interestingly they handed it to the alfa on "intangibles" after their own subpar-at-best experience of the car in the long term fleet 2nd Place: BMW M3 Competition Highs: Racetrack capability with autobahn composure, impressive grip and brakes, upscale interior. Lows: Numb steering, palpable turbo lag, an overwhelming amount of adjustability. 1st Place: Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Highs: Passion you can feel through the steering wheel, Italian design, linear power delivery. Lows: Some cheap materials inside, knowing it might break your heart at any moment. Also get to see their instrumented test on the comp g8x DIMENSIONS Wheelbase: 112.5 in Length: 189.1 in Width: 74.3 in Height: 56.4 in Passenger Volume: 96 ft3 Trunk Volume: 13 ft3 Curb Weight: 3820 lb C/D TEST RESULTS 60 mph: 3.5 sec 100 mph: 7.6 sec 1/4-Mile: 11.6 sec @ 124 mph 130 mph: 12.8 sec 150 mph: 18.3 sec Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.2 sec. Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 4.5 sec Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 2.4 sec Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 2.7 sec Top Speed (mfr's claim): 180 mph Braking, 70–0 mph: 150 ft Braking, 100–0 mph: 297 ft Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 1.03 g
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C&D has a bit of an agenda with BMW. Their dislike for the F3x/F8x has turned them into the automotive equivalent of a scorned lover. I will say at least they don't hide it as they even tell you where this is going to go early with this quote.
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we get it, CD prefers the alfa, cause they don't wanna upset the hand that feeds them free press cars.
I wonder how much Alfa is paying them. Slower car which can't handle few hot laps wins? WTF? It's not the first time either, their long term loaner 2018 alfa was riddled with problems. I'm sure if they were buying one with their own money majority of them would pick the bimmer. Last edited by XsltAnalyst; 08-05-2021 at 09:39 AM.. |
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Alfa has less TSB than BMW. My QV has 29k , zero problem. and it is tuned. point 2 is true. That is why I sold QV. |
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08-05-2021, 11:30 AM | #8 |
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My experience with Alfa reliability: 2 QVs I test drove flashed "Service Throttle Control" errors at me after spirited test drives and 1 QV test drive was rescheduled due to "misfires".
They hate the G8x looks, it doesn't matter how well it drives, they'll never pick it in a comparison test with anything reasonably close in performance. The best you can expect from them is a good score when the car is graded in isolation. We now have a Ring time that speaks for itself. We know the car drives very well and performs at the top of its class; no more excuses about influencers/reviewers giving great reviews because of bias or a desire to maintain a relationship with BMW PR/marketing. These subjective comparisons are worthless at this point, especially with the grille wildcard factor. Just go drive them both. |
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Still, the G8x is faster and cheaper and newer with significantly better reliability and dealer/manufacturer support ... yet C&D put it in 2nd place. Right. Just live with each for a day. The Alfa is good, but there's a reason dealers were handing out 15-25% discounts on brand new ones before the supply chain issues. |
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08-05-2021, 11:53 AM | #11 |
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I went to Craigslist to see what was out there for pre-owned AR Giulia QFs. I should not have been surprised to see this on the only listing. The frequency of issues with these cars is truly absurd.
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08-05-2021, 12:09 PM | #12 |
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I have a 2018 Stelvio QV now with a 2022 M3 sitting at VPC for absolutely no reason. Lol . Anyway, been to the dealer once for an oil change. No other issues.
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Yep but they have always liked the M2 and their dislike is born from the last gen 3 series. To me it's very strange when a vehicle finishes last in all the performance metrics, doesn't finish the testing before breaking down ends up winning the comparison and that's not even counting their long term car which they fully know was a disaster of a car. I can't recall that ever happening and I'm a reader going back to the 80's. It just seems like they are still pouting because of the F8x. Last edited by heavyD^2; 08-05-2021 at 01:39 PM.. |
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I knew somebody who had a QV that burst into flame and was replaced with an AMG. I won't go into the AMG side, because that is a very sad story.
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1st Place: BMW M3 Competition Highs: Engineering excellent you can feel through the steering wheel, German design, Racetrack capability with autobahn composure, impressive grip and brakes, upscale interior, consistently continues to work after you drive it, an overwhelming amount of adjustability Lows: Numb ass from carbon buckets, it has turbos so there must be turbo lag right?, really expensive optional brakes that aren't even necessary and don't have an equivalent in the other car so why on earth are we testing these seriously WTF ... 5th Place: Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Highs: It broke, burnt into flame, had it's engine replaced after a couple of hours, but at least it has a really ugly snout too Lows: Gross I think I can feel C&D's passion on the steering wheel, Italian design, boring power delivery, some cheap materials inside, fun for a night but then you might need a doctor
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.car...bility-update/
I thought their hearts were broken after their 4 year road test had the car in the shop For 14 months or did they forget? The QV is an awesome car but there is a long love affair between petrol heads and Italian cars that feel 'alive' and have 'passion'. They are Gluttons for punishment! As the poster above said, easy to write about a car that pulls on your heart strings but a very different proposition living with one on a daily basis, especially outside of warranty! I actually considered a second hand one and decided on the G80 because I don't have time for repairs or crazy bills outside of warranty |
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08-06-2021, 06:55 AM | #17 |
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C&D G80 M3C vs Alfa Giulia QV
I don't think the logic that C&D is biased against the G8X because it didn't love the F80/F30 makes sense. They have written some very positive commentary on new BMWs, including the first drives on the G8X. The G20 had extremely positive reviews. Wouldn't they have wanted to extend their grudge to the new 3 series?
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Not to be a Debbie downer, but there have been plenty of issues with the M series motors as well. You are showing an ad with a new motor for this particular Alpha and it's a known fact the reliability isn't the best. There is no doubt there are used F8X's for sale with the motor repaired from the crank hub. Just like mine was repaired. I would pick the Bimmer over the Alpha everyday. Just have to be honest about both cars
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Alfa reliability arguments and anecdotes always remind me of an argument two friends of mine had about Packard Bell computers in 1997 or 1998. For those of you who don't remember them, PB was the worst PC manufacturer during the rise of the home computer. They had a 32% first-year hardware failure rate, which was far worse than any other major company.
Terrible, right? Especially considering how expensive computers were back then. But - the other side of it is that 68% of PB customers DIDN'T have a failure in that first year...which is what caused the argument that I mentioned. One friend had bought two PB's had zero failures over time and, while a bit drunk, got quite upset at a perceived insult to his PC that he spent a lot of money on. He had a good experience, but if you were spending your hard-earned 3 grand on a PC, buying the PB was a bad bet compared to your other choices. The math was unquestionable, but he still felt that he was being insulted by the statistic. My own anecdotal experience with test driving a QV - I did finally drive one in late 2019 after 3 attempts. The only Alfa dealer in the area is quite friendly and tried to let me drive their one QV that they had in stock twice in 2017 and 2018 (two different cars) and it didn't work out. The first one (white) wouldn't start. The second one (red) lit up like a christmas tree 500 feet from the dealership and I had to turn around and go back. Loved the 2019 I drove. That engine is great. The chassis is great. But I couldn't buy it. I wasn't sure I could buy another auto, and when I asked about loaner cars if it broke, the nice sales fella pointed to three Fiat 500's they had sitting and told me that they were their only loaner cars (and if they were already out, they wouldn't be able to provide a loaner). I still might have bought it if I was a multiple-car human, but I'm not. It was just the wrong bet for me. |
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08-06-2021, 08:33 AM | #21 |
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Yeah not sure how they can say Alfa won this given all the data. On steering feel alone? 😂
It's not amazing but it's not as horrible as CD always make it out to be. As others have said if they were forced to buy one with their own money, it's most likely the BMW. I am waiting to see the xdrive vs ? Review. I guess only competitor would be the RS5 and it should run circles around that with the power difference. |
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I am clueless on how a vehicle which is unreliable in all of their tests can win the comparison.
Guess limited "available" drives gives ultimate pleasure and makes its really valuable. |
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