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      11-11-2018, 04:31 PM   #23
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Agreed. It's as simple as another rule: "Do not move the braking zone."

After seeing more video, Max already passed Ocon in the middle of the start/finish straight (at this point the blue flag rule no longer stands). Ocon believed that he had the pace to push to and unlap himself. Ocon gained on Max and got within half a car's length. Going into the S curves Ocon was within half a car's length. Max then proceeded to squeeze him out. Unfortunately, Max had more to lose than Ocon. This is where Hamilton's comments have merit.
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https://www.planetf1.com/news/versta...for-ocon-push/

‘The Stewards therefore ordered that Max Verstappen is required to perform two (2) days of public service at the direction of the FIA within six months of the incident. (Penalty under Art. 12.3.1.c of the FIA International Sporting Code.)’
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Reminded me of Irvine unlapping himself from Senna at Suzuka and Senna throwing a fist at Irvine after the race because he had the audacity to unlap himself. Although in that case Senna won the race (but got a suspended two race ban).

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/f...at-suzuka.html
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That was unreal. I've been watching F1 for a long time, and cannot remember the last time a back marker took out the leader. Maybe Coulthard on Schuey at Spa all those years ago?

Damned good race again actually!
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Ocon vs MAX
Pictures showed Ocon's facial expression , he thought it was funny !
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Ocon wanted to actually have an impact on the outcome of a race before his F1 career ends in a couple of weeks

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Not that I condone some violent interactions between drivers, but I would do the same or similar if I'm in Max's shoes.
What's the point of "unlapping" himself? It's not like Ocon can pull away fast enough not to get another blue flag by Turn 4. He has the right to do it, but doesn't mean he should "fight" Max to unlap himself.

In hindsight, I sorta agree with Hamilton, when Max has the most to lose. Next time he can play a bit more cautious and let those amateurs make their statement.
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What Lewis said: When Hamilton joined Verstappen in the drivers’ room before the podium ceremony, he told him that Ocon “is allowed to unlap himself”.

While Verstappen agreed, before adding “but you can’t crash”, Hamilton also said: “You had more to lose than he did. He had nothing to lose.”
I saw that clip, and here is my take on it.

Max didn't had to leave him space, but taken his position in the race into consideration, it was probably the right thing to do.

Max is a brilliant driver, but he lacks a lot ito maturity and being level headed.

He will soon learn though, that without those traits, becoming a world champion will be impossible. He actually reminds me a lot of Montoya.
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If everyone reacted like Max, he would've probably gotten his ass kicked a few times already for crashing into other drivers. #justsayin
See my post above. Things like these deminish him in my eyes as a worthy champion. He must just be careful, not all drivers will be as calm as Ocon. Think particularlyof people like Perez, Magnusson etc, they will certainly push back.
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Why ?
That's actually pretty simple . The leader in the race gets and expects always the necessary room to pass , at least in a normal situation .
The whole world saw that Ocon did the opposite !


Ocon was unlapping himself, Verstappen was being deficult on purpose.

Apparently, the two has had bad blood between them for ages......
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Maybe Max got his bullying traits from his dad. From Wikipedia about Jos Verstappen:

In December 2008, with the couple effectively separated, Verstappen appeared in court in Tongeren, Belgium, charged with assaulting his wife.[33] He was found innocent of assault, but guilty of threatening Kumpen in text messages and of violating a previously issued restraining order. He was fined and sentenced to three months probational, suspended prison sentence.[34]

After a 1998 incident in a karting track, in which a man suffered a fractured skull, Verstappen and his father were found guilty in court of assault but were each sentenced to five-year suspended sentence after reaching an out-of-court settlement with the victim.[35]

On 29 November 2011, the media reported allegations that Verstappen had assaulted his ex-girlfriend; Verstappen claimed to only have had a discussion with her.[36] In January 2012, he was arrested on attempted murder charges following accusations that he drove a car into his ex-girlfriend in Roermond,[37] but released two weeks later, after the charge was withdrawn.[38] Verstappen and his ex-girlfriend, Kelly van der Waal, got back together and got married in 2014. They have one daughter, named Blue Jaye, born in September 2014.[39] They divorced on 20 June 2017.

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Ocon was unlapping himself, Verstappen was being deficult on purpose.

Apparently, the two has had bad blood between them for ages......
The bad blood started already in F3 => #nofriends !
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      11-12-2018, 10:28 AM   #35
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See my post above. Things like these deminish him in my eyes as a worthy champion. He must just be careful, not all drivers will be as calm as Ocon. Think particularlyof people like Perez, Magnusson etc, they will certainly push back.
Ocon calm ? It looks like , but actually he did worse ! Because Ocon fooled MAX with the whole situation !
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Ocon calm ? It looks like , but actually he did worse ! Because Ocon fooled MAX with the whole situation !
Calm, as in, did not retaliate.
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Calm, as in, did not retaliate.
It was better if he had done this in the race !
Today in Belgium I heard more about the incident..The picture showes something !
As you can see , Ocon steered actually towards MAX to the left (he turns his steering wheel to the left) While the turn goes to the right ?!?!
Check Ocon's front tire...Was it done on purpose ?
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It was better if he had done this in the race !
Today in Belgium I heard more about the incident..The picture showes something !
As you can see , Ocon steered actually towards MAX to the left (he turns his steering wheel to the left) While the turn goes to the right ?!?!
Check Ocon's front tire...Was it done on purpose ?
Or if Ocon's front tire was being tracked by the inner curb he may have just been hugging the turn.

Also at this point of the season with titles decided, back markers tend to run a little harder to gauge themselves and car for the future.
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Or if Ocon's front tire was being tracked by the inner curb he may have just been hugging the turn.

Also at this point of the season with titles decided, back markers tend to run a little harder to gauge themselves and car for the future.
The picture above shows that Ocon's tire was not on the curb.
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It was better if he had done this in the race !
Today in Belgium I heard more about the incident..The picture showes something !
As you can see , Ocon steered actually towards MAX to the left (he turns his steering wheel to the left) While the turn goes to the right ?!?!
Check Ocon's front tire...Was it done on purpose ?
You almost had me until I saw the big smiley at the end haha
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Yeh this is called counter-steer lol, he probably went too fast deep into the turn and had
To counter
I'm pretty sure Ocon is not an angel...
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You almost had me until I saw the big smiley at the end haha
The big smiley is actually Ocon !
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In no way do I support Ocon, I think he was the idiot here. But he wasn't turning into Max as evident by the onboard.



There's fault on both sides in that Max could have avoided this, although he had a right to that corner given his position.

Seems stupid that Ocon would risk both drivers' races fighting for 15th place.
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