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      02-26-2015, 08:47 PM   #1
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What is the deal with Performance Friction? ST60 out of stock on all pads....

I am very disappointed right now. I recently purchased a Stoptech ST60 BBK and performance friction is saying that they discontinued the 08 compound, and are out of stock in every single shape besides the PFC 01?

Anyone else running into this? It is pretty inconvenient right before the start of track season....I really wanted the 08 or the 11. Something with a bit more endurance than the 01....
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      02-26-2015, 11:17 PM   #2
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I bet they have some in stock for their calipers
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I am very disappointed right now. I recently purchased a Stoptech ST60 BBK and performance friction is saying that they discontinued the 08 compound, and are out of stock in every single shape besides the PFC 01?

Anyone else running into this? It is pretty inconvenient right before the start of track season....I really wanted the 08 or the 11. Something with a bit more endurance than the 01....
My guess is that this has something to do with the Union strike for the Port Authority. So many parts, from wheels, tires, brakes, etc. are out of stock due to the cargo ships carrying the parts are anchored off shore waiting for the strike to end.
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      02-27-2015, 10:49 AM   #4
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I recently ordered a PFC bbk. I have received the rear 12 pads but not the front set.

These are made in the US so the port mess shouldn't affect.

There's plenty of stuff out of stock right now
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      02-27-2015, 09:44 PM   #5
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As an alternative you can run Endless pads. Both PFC and Endless are comparable, and many of the Porsche Cup teams run them.
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      02-28-2015, 06:01 AM   #6
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I have a spare set of PFC11 if you are in a pinch and want to buy them.
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      02-28-2015, 06:44 AM   #7
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Also, it is my understanding that they will only make 11 and 13 in ST60 sizing. Anything else you may find is just old stock. We moved from 08 to 11 because of this.
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      02-28-2015, 08:25 AM   #8
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If you strike out with PF, get Pagid RS29. Arguably the best available endurance pad.
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Pagid 29 does not have anywhere near the same initial bite as PFC.
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Pagids were the old standard, but most have moved on to PFC and Endless.
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Pagids were the old standard, but most have moved on to PFC and Endless.
Are you trolling or are you actually that ignorant?
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Not a troll so I must be ignorant.
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Not a troll so I must be ignorant.
Hmmmm, ignorant must mean something else now.

PFC's newer compounds have surpassed the Pagid yellows.

I'm heading back under my bridge.
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Pagid 29 does not have anywhere near the same initial bite as PFC.
I don't doubt it. Wouldn't say strong initial bite is one of the primary characteristics of RS29's. Neither does Pagid. If you're looking for an endurance pad as op indicates, they're still a viable option. Haven't talked to a supplier or manufacturer that says otherwise.

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Yeah this bummed me out too. I bought a set of 08s from a guy who had one set left and also bought a set of 06s just to stick to PFC enduro. That should last me a couple years, by which time I'm hoping PFC makes the 12 compound in this shape (perhaps as a special order item for some vendors like the 08s were) or that I've moved onto another car.

But if you need pads now, some vendors still have leftover 06 stock, which would be the closest equivalent. Otherwise, the 11 is apparently a mix of the 01 and 08 (biased more toward the 01, so adjust wear rate expectations accordingly) because the 13 is the new king of the hill in bite. Pagid is indeed the nearest equivalent, but they're picky about being bedded in properly before performing well, so I've stuck with PFC for plug and play simplicity.
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The expression "Pagids were the old standard" kind of shocked me. They're still the standard, although some new players are making inroads. The top 3 race pad suppliers for NA and Europe are PFC, Pagid and Raybestos. Endless and Project Mu are getting some share now, and that's prompting Pagid and PFC to update their product lines. Five years ago, PFC-01's were the winningest brake pad ever, and frankly they're probably better than anything they've made since. PFC introduced a whole new family of pads including the 06 and 08, and they've now withdrawn them. I'm assuming that their core professional racing customers couldn't make them work. I've used 06's and I've got a new set of 08's on the shelf (for a D1001 caliper). PFC has now rolled out a new range of compounds numbered 11 and up - hopefully they'll be as successful as the 01 was. At this point, until the situation stabilizes, I'd buy 01's and be happy. They are a great pad and they have absolutely no bad habits.

As for Pagid, they've rolled out a new series of pads out now too. The RS19/29 product has evolved into the RSL01/02 which have slightly higher friction levels ("bite") and a flatter torque curve (good modulation). The RS19's in particular are great pads - modulation and release are phenomenal. They last a long time too.

When the BMW M3 GTR parts list came out a few years ago, the car was delivered at the factory gate with PFC-01's on the front and RS-14's at the back. The newer models of BMW Motorsport factory built race cars have a selection of pads; they're built with either a Pagid or a PFC setup and then pads from another manufacturer are listed as options.
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PFCs are the new standard. Incredibly easy bedding (as in none)
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I really like the PFC-08 and bought several sets. Willing to part with one if interested send me a PM.

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