M3 My 2011.?? ?

[doubleo]

Hey guys. So I've seen a couple of posts with M3 MY 2011.?? (.50, .75). What are the differences between these, if any?

[Mr. ///M3 RD]

No difference at all as far as I know. There is no such thing as a year.??? the cars are build and the year as well as the month that the car roles off the assembly line is shown on the name plate. Like in my case it was October 2012.

Would that make it 2012.83.333333 ?



Who cares anyway

[Nine]

technically the newer your M3 is, the slower it is. They did this to sell the 1M.

[RudyP]

There are some differences in the iDrive system. My early 2011 does not have bluetooth music streaming, BMW apps, etc... while late 2011 models do. Also the iPod/iPhone connection can use a regular iPhone cable and does not need the weird BMW Y cable. There may be other differences.

Nothing different about the performance.

[FVM3]

Originally Posted by Nine

technically the newer your M3 is, the slower it is. They did this to sell the 1M.

[Templar]

It's cooler to say 2011.75 than 2011 because it means it's newer... True story.

Seriously, it's a dick size thing... It's a fact that 2011.75 owners have a bigger dick than someone who owns a 2011.014578292.

[TVMA Doc]

Originally Posted by Rolf-Dieter

No difference at all as far as I know. There is no such thing as a year.??? the cars are build and the year as well as the month that the car roles off the assembly line is shown on the name plate. Like in my case it was October 2012.

Would that make it 2012.83.333333 ?



Who cares anyway

Unfortunately there is no way to know. They don't have the day and hour listed...

[stefan]

Actually it's a reflection on the equipment the car is sold with.

2011 (March 2010) - LCI (and ZCP option)
2011.5 (Sept 2010) - standard bluetooth (6FL) and combox, mineral white, manuals seat option, standard mdrive (incl. MDM), and *allegedly* DCT software changes.
2011.75 (March 2011) - above plus apps (6NR), start/stop, and two tone interior w/ speedcloth (not sure if this is the same in US; but you get cloth on the doors now)

Makes a difference when you're going to sell it, so people are aware of what you have. So it's actually more about accuracy than e-dick swinging. In Canada, 2011.75 is effectively 2012 in spec.

[PhillyNate]

I almost got into an internet brawl with a guy on here over this very topic. I used to use that ".75" sh!t too, 'til I came to my senses and realized it was ridiculous. I certainly realize there were changes in content/equipment but they're all 2011's.

[tlp]

Originally Posted by stefan

Actually it's a reflection on the equipment the car is sold with.

2011 (March 2010) - LCI (and ZCP option)
2011.5 (Sept 2010) - standard bluetooth (6FL) and combox, mineral white, manuals seat option, standard mdrive (incl. MDM), and *allegedly* DCT software changes.
2011.75 (March 2011) - above plus apps (6NR), start/stop, and two tone interior w/ speedcloth (not sure if this is the same in US; but you get cloth on the doors now)

Makes a difference when you're going to sell it, so people are aware of what you have. So it's actually more about accuracy than e-dick swinging. In Canada, 2011.75 is effectively 2012 in spec.

+1

It's a designation as to what option level or base in MY2011 which had a broad manufacturing window and updates/changes along the way. If MY2012 sees no changes during the production run it will retain the simple 2012 moniker instead of 2012.XX.

[jphughan]

Originally Posted by stefan

Actually it's a reflection on the equipment the car is sold with.

2011 (March 2010) - LCI (and ZCP option)
2011.5 (Sept 2010) - standard bluetooth (6FL) and combox, mineral white, manuals seat option, standard mdrive (incl. MDM), and *allegedly* DCT software changes.
2011.75 (March 2011) - above plus apps (6NR), start/stop, and two tone interior w/ speedcloth (not sure if this is the same in US; but you get cloth on the doors now)

Makes a difference when you're going to sell it, so people are aware of what you have. So it's actually more about accuracy than e-dick swinging. In Canada, 2011.75 is effectively 2012 in spec.

Not quite correct. At least in the US, Auto Start/Stop and two-tone leather options appeared in 2011.5, not 2011.75. Check the September Production Changes link in my previous post.

[Templar]

If I am selling my car, I'm going to list every single detail about the car regardless of the model year.

I'm not going to put an ad up with 2011.75 and leave it at that, because 95% of the people checking it out won't have the slightest idea wtf that means.

It's an e-peen thing...

[aajami]

Originally Posted by Rolf-Dieter

No difference at all as far as I know. There is no such thing as a year.??? the cars are build and the year as well as the month that the car roles off the assembly line is shown on the name plate. Like in my case it was October 2012.

Would that make it 2012.83.333333 ?



Who cares anyway

That's not true. The 2011 model year actually lasted nearly two calendar years, and BMW made changes to the option packages and standard features that the M3 came with three different times during that production run. That's why people specify MY11, MY11.5, or MY11.75.

Conversely, the 2010 model year lasted about six months.

[cohenfive]

i have a very early 2011 (2011.1 maybe?) and i don't have an alarm on the car..which changed when they reconfigured the option packages. only thing i really miss on the car...

[stefan]

Originally Posted by Templar

It's an e-peen thing...

It is? Really? So none of the above items convince you hey?

Remember the E46? All that changed in 2003.5 was LED tail lights and trunk handle.. and yet.. a significant number of sellers are sure to specify this detail, as it can tell you who has legitimate OEM tail lights and who has garbage Depo or Eagle Eye. Some buyers who educate themselves using many of the easily google'able sites probably will look at the 2003.5 before the 2003. When I sold my '03 PY M3, I had about every third email asking if it was 2003 or 2003.5.

So do what you want but I'll be taking every advantage possible when it comes time to selling, regardless of "e-peen" size.

Let's say someone is interested in mine, and a competing 2011 comes up who doesn't take pictures of his door panels. If the buyer wants speed cloth on the doors, they will need to find a 2011.75 (at least in Canada).

[Templar]

Originally Posted by stefan

It is? Really? So none of the above items convince you hey?

Remember the E46? All that changed in 2003.5 was LED tail lights and trunk handle.. and yet.. a significant number of sellers are sure to specify this detail, as it can tell you who has legitimate OEM tail lights and who has garbage Depo or Eagle Eye. Some buyers who educate themselves using many of the easily google'able sites probably will look at the 2003.5 before the 2003.

So do what you want but I'll be taking every advantage possible when it comes time to selling, regardless off "e-peen" size.

And, as this site is a very small population of people who actually own M3's, you can guarantee that the number I estimated (approx 5%) would be the people that properly educate themselves before making a purchase like this on a used car.

The overwhelming majority have no idea... If you tell them "my car is a model 2011.5" they will look at you like you're crazy. When do people actually talk like that? When you go to a dealer, do they tell you the car is a 2011.75 or a 2011? 2012? I've only ever seen the "2011.XX" used on this forum.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by Templar

And, as this site is a very small population of people who actually own M3's, you can guarantee that the number I estimated (approx 5%) would be the people that properly educate themselves before making a purchase like this on a used car.

The overwhelming majority have no idea... If you tell them "my car is a model 2011.5" they will look at you like you're crazy. When do people actually talk like that? When you go to a dealer, do they tell you the car is a 2011.75 or a 2011? 2012? I've only ever seen the "2011.XX" used on this forum.

You are severely underestimating the prospective buyer. As I said, the only reason I even care about this is the large amount of emails I received asking if my M3 was 03.5 or 03.. a detail I had previous underestimated as you are now. That link in my last post is a result for searching FS:2003.5 M3 with quite a few results. When you sell, that is your competition. Buyers who don't even know about it will see it side-by-side with your posting and wonder what the difference is. Then, they understand it.

Listen, I don't physically tell people it's a 11.75. But you can bet that when I sell it, or speak about it on, say an enthusiast site, that I'll refer to it as such.

[Templar]

Originally Posted by stefan

You are severely underestimating the prospective buyer.

In my experience, a lot of people can't be bothered to do anything on their own, and can't be bothered to do the research either.

Just going to agree to disagree...

Missed your edit, but sure selling it on an enthusiast site I can see putting that info there, because people know... Other places, not so much...

[stefan]

Originally Posted by Templar

In my experience, a lot of people can't be bothered to do anything on their own, and can't be bothered to do the research either.

Just going to agree to disagree...

Missed your edit, but sure selling it on an enthusiast site I can see putting that info there, because people know... Other places, not so much...

Well fair enough.. I have to give it to you that I was initially very surprised at the number of responses I received, asking if my E46 was a .5 or not.

[tlp]

Originally Posted by stefan

Well fair enough.. I have to give it to you that I was initially very surprised at the number of responses I received, asking if my E46 was a .5 or not.

2003.5 was also significant for some folks because the car came with the newer bottom end bearings and was not subject to the optional bearing recall.

Years from now the next wave of e9X M3 buyers are going to be sensitive to things like CIC, ZCP, Combobox and BMW Apps. Some of the MY conventions will help them navigate through those waters.

[lorinzo]

I have an October 2011 build.... does that make it a 2011.75+?

Or, is the differences just between .5 and .75?

[48Laws]

That little note makes owners feel better about owning the latest model when in fact it's the same damn car.