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      08-16-2019, 04:18 PM   #2421
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In general BMW seems pretty poor at managing incremental updates to models... it seems the Launch-LCI-EOP rinse/repeat is so ingrained in them they lose all ability to communicate or logically manage what content gets added when acting outside that framework
Very unfair. They regularly put out press releases like this:
https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...19?language=en
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      08-16-2019, 05:42 PM   #2422
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That's a bit unfair, multiple models got off-LCI engine updates, like the F48 and the F34, plus they updated all Diesels to SCR/Euro-6d-temp in 2018.
No, the point isn't that they don't make updates its good that they do, the point is they do a poor job of coordinating them and communicating them.
Some examples:
You have an x3m running a fully different operating system than the lesser models
It's unknown which engine the x3 m40i is shipping with and different answers from different markets (maybe they are different but that goes to the communication item)
Several models that have the components but not being updated to driver assist pro, staying on plus despite pro proliferation throughout the model line

Look if you feel bmw is doing a good job of communicating with you as a consumer then that is your opinion, I feel it is not very good. I will use ford as a good example in this regard every year they tweak the mustang lineup (new model variants/ option changes) a bit and all the changes are usually pretty clear on page one of the order guide and in press releases. Not saying they are perfect but overall that's a better standard to set.
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      08-16-2019, 07:07 PM   #2423
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ynguldyn, its confirmed at this point that this didn't happen for SOP MY2020.
It did. Note the model code change from TS33 to TY93. TY93 uses the new engine.
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      08-17-2019, 08:05 AM   #2424
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It did. Note the model code change from TS33 to TY93. TY93 uses the new engine.
Ok, thanks for confirming that. Amazing how BMW NA keeps getting worse and worse at presenting the facts. It make me wonder who in the organization is in charge of product information and how they manage to be so bad at it.
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      08-17-2019, 03:36 PM   #2425
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Ok, thanks for confirming that. Amazing how BMW NA keeps getting worse and worse at presenting the facts. It make me wonder who in the organization is in charge of product information and how they manage to be so bad at it.
It's even worse than you think. I've just checked bmw.de, which is normally more precise and up-to-date, its build tool still shows 265kW, even though you can see TY91 in the URL, and any lookup of a TY91 VIN will return "B58D" with 285kW.
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      08-18-2019, 10:40 AM   #2426
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It's even worse than you think. I've just checked bmw.de, which is normally more precise and up-to-date, its build tool still shows 265kW, even though you can see TY91 in the URL, and any lookup of a TY91 VIN will return "B58D" with 285kW.
Wow, the disease is spreading!

Why B58D instead of B58O? I guess this four digit identifier doesn’t use the same system as the formal engine codes (B58B0O1)?
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Wow, the disease is spreading!

Why B58D instead of B58O? I guess this four digit identifier doesn’t use the same system as the formal engine codes (B58B0O1)?
Right, because B58O would be O0, and here we have O1. BMW now uses a new sequence of letters for the four-letter engine codes you might find for example in ETK. This started with N63 but became more systematic with the TUs of Bxx motors:

BxxA - K1
BxxB - U1
BxxC - M1
BxxD - O1
B4xE - T1 in UKL models
B4xF - T1 in CLAR models
BxxX - any hybrid using that engine
N63B - N63T3
N74B - N74U1

What's funny is that Supra crowd now talks about B58C vs B58D all the time.
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With an end of production date of 8/2020 for the F33, can we assume that the new platform G series 4 Convertible will be available at the same time?

Thanks for the help.
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      08-24-2019, 03:26 PM   #2429
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      09-07-2019, 11:55 AM   #2430
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G80 colors, first info about the European 128ti.
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Disappointed there’s no light blue like Yas Marina Blue. Also, why would BMW make a GTI competitor and not bring it to the US? I thought the GTI is one of the better sellers here.
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Also, why would BMW make a GTI competitor and not bring it to the US? I thought the GTI is one of the better sellers here.
Because BMW doesn't want to sell two-box hatchbacks here.
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Disappointed there’s no light blue like Yas Marina Blue. Also, why would BMW make a GTI competitor and not bring it to the US? I thought the GTI is one of the better sellers here.
Probably because the market is slow and saturated, so doesn't make sense to introduce a new competitor. Not many people here would be interested in a more expensive GTI with no track record.
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      09-07-2019, 06:50 PM   #2434
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Also, why would BMW make a GTI competitor and not bring it to the US? I thought the GTI is one of the better sellers here.
Because BMW doesn't want to sell hatchbacks here.
Whoa whoa whoa, can u please clarify on the seats? Do u mean to say the spy shots we've just been seeing are the standard ones or theyre the optional buckets?
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Whoa whoa whoa, can u please clarify on the seats? Do u mean to say the spy shots we've just been seeing are the standard ones or theyre the optional buckets?
Sorry, the latest photo is the optional buckets. I've edited my post. The key part is that they're coming to the States while all earlier M3s kept the coolest seats Euro-only.
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G80 colors, first info about the European 128ti.
Can anything be inferred around rough SOP for G80 considering the fact you are seeing color and interior data or are they not related?

I find it interesting that bmw would have this level of detail ready but SOP still be more than 12 months or even 15+ months away (late 2020 or even 2021 launch)
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I find it interesting that bmw would have this level of detail ready but SOP still be more than 12 months or even 15+ months away (late 2020 or even 2021 launch)
This is typical for M cars.
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[*]Non-US news but interesting enough to post: BMW is readying a new version of F40 targeted squarely at Golf GTI. It'll use the same engine as M135i but it will be detuned to 260hp and drive the front wheels. The current name for this model is "128ti", but in all ways it's going to be an M Performance model, with M aero bits, M sport brakes, sport suspension, special sport seats, and other goodies. Though still no manual transmission.[/list]

Too little too late, but I will keep an open mind.

They would be shooting themselves in the foot if they don't have a manual option. I think something like 50% of GTI's are sold with a manual?
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