BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General BMW News and Cars Discussion
 
EXXEL Distributions
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      08-04-2019, 10:21 AM   #23
HyeWarrior
Major
673
Rep
1,077
Posts

Drives: 2012 135i DCT
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: San Dimas, CA

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 530iDriver View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by HyeWarrior View Post
Hence why I just leased an Alfa Giulia. Far better lease deal than any Audi/BMW/Merc
FCA is desperate to give them away...
I don't think I'd be confident to own one long term out of warranty, but so far, it's a fantastic car.

RWD, and a 4 cylinder turbo making near 300hp is a great starting point. The biggest downside to the Giulia is the low levels of aftermarket options and the questionable reliability after the 40k mileage point. In my opinion, BMW wants way too much money for a base 330i when there isn't much different than the previous F generation aside from gimmick features. They've become bloated, heavy, and packed with useless features. The M3 will probably always be king as far as midsize sedans go, but the 330i segment has a lot of competition now. Even Motortrend recently called the Giulia the modern 3 series. I genuinely hope the next generation Giulia doesn't get pulled from the North American market.
Appreciate 1
ted9960.00

      08-04-2019, 10:35 AM   #24
Savageenterprise
Lieutenant
United_States
567
Rep
500
Posts

Drives: 2018 340i xdrive
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Out and about

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by 530iDriver View Post
FCA is desperate to give them away...
When I cross shopped my 340 to a Guilia TI sport Alfa wanted more money down and the monthly was higher by about $40 per month.

I got a better deal on my bmw and i liked the guilia enough that if they could have matched or been lower I probably would have went with it,
__________________
"You can't deposit excuses"

2018 340ix 6MT//BSM//Coral Red int//Alum Dark Carbon//19 in 704M double spoke Orbit Grey OEM wheels//CF side mirror caps//CF trunk lid spoiler//Dinan mid pipe res delete//BMS intake//Active Autowerke A8//Gloss Black M style grills//IND BSM Reflectors
Appreciate 0
      08-04-2019, 10:48 AM   #25
HyeWarrior
Major
673
Rep
1,077
Posts

Drives: 2012 135i DCT
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: San Dimas, CA

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savageenterprise View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by 530iDriver View Post
FCA is desperate to give them away...
When I cross shopped my 340 to a Guilia TI sport Alfa wanted more money down and the monthly was higher by about $40 per month.

I got a better deal on my bmw and i liked the guilia enough that if they could have matched or been lower I probably would have went with it,
Just curious, how many Alfa dealers did you try? I talked to 3 until I got a price that I thought was fair for the car and options
Appreciate 0
      08-04-2019, 10:52 AM   #26
Savageenterprise
Lieutenant
United_States
567
Rep
500
Posts

Drives: 2018 340i xdrive
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Out and about

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by HyeWarrior View Post
Just curious, how many Alfa dealers did you try? I talked to 3 until I got a price that I thought was fair for the car and options
Two dealers and that one was the better of the two. But it wasnít even close. They wanted me to put 3k down, and that didnít include taxes, title tag fees etc. at Alfa. I think the monthly was like $540 PM

BMW was $2869 down including everything OTD. $499 PM
__________________
"You can't deposit excuses"

2018 340ix 6MT//BSM//Coral Red int//Alum Dark Carbon//19 in 704M double spoke Orbit Grey OEM wheels//CF side mirror caps//CF trunk lid spoiler//Dinan mid pipe res delete//BMS intake//Active Autowerke A8//Gloss Black M style grills//IND BSM Reflectors
Appreciate 0
      08-04-2019, 10:53 AM   #27
530iDriver
Lieutenant Colonel
530iDriver's Avatar
United_States
961
Rep
1,644
Posts

Drives: 2017 BMW 530i
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Florida

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by HyeWarrior View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by 530iDriver View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by HyeWarrior View Post
Hence why I just leased an Alfa Giulia. Far better lease deal than any Audi/BMW/Merc
FCA is desperate to give them away...
I don't think I'd be confident to own one long term out of warranty, but so far, it's a fantastic car.

RWD, and a 4 cylinder turbo making near 300hp is a great starting point. The biggest downside to the Giulia is the low levels of aftermarket options and the questionable reliability after the 40k mileage point. In my opinion, BMW wants way too much money for a base 330i when there isn't much different than the previous F generation aside from gimmick features. They've become bloated, heavy, and packed with useless features. The M3 will probably always be king as far as midsize sedans go, but the 330i segment has a lot of competition now. Even Motortrend recently called the Giulia the modern 3 series. I genuinely hope the next generation Giulia doesn't get pulled from the North American market.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HyeWarrior View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by 530iDriver View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by HyeWarrior View Post
Hence why I just leased an Alfa Giulia. Far better lease deal than any Audi/BMW/Merc
FCA is desperate to give them away...
I don't think I'd be confident to own one long term out of warranty, but so far, it's a fantastic car.

RWD, and a 4 cylinder turbo making near 300hp is a great starting point. The biggest downside to the Giulia is the low levels of aftermarket options and the questionable reliability after the 40k mileage point. In my opinion, BMW wants way too much money for a base 330i when there isn't much different than the previous F generation aside from gimmick features. They've become bloated, heavy, and packed with useless features. The M3 will probably always be king as far as midsize sedans go, but the 330i segment has a lot of competition now. Even Motortrend recently called the Giulia the modern 3 series. I genuinely hope the next generation Giulia doesn't get pulled from the North American market.
They are lookers specially in red.
__________________
2017 BMW 530i, Sport Line,Alpine White, Canberra Beige Sensatec, 19 inch V-Spoke wheels, basic plain Jane build with no options whatsoever..... "Less is more".

Before: 2011 BMW 328i E90 sedan, Platinum Bronze Metallic, Dakota Brown leather, 17 inch wheels, 6-speed auto, N52 6 Cyl inline N/A goodness....
Appreciate 0
      08-04-2019, 11:25 AM   #28
HyeWarrior
Major
673
Rep
1,077
Posts

Drives: 2012 135i DCT
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: San Dimas, CA

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savageenterprise View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by HyeWarrior View Post
Just curious, how many Alfa dealers did you try? I talked to 3 until I got a price that I thought was fair for the car and options
Two dealers and that one was the better of the two. But it wasn’t even close. They wanted me to put 3k down, and that didn’t include taxes, title tag fees etc. at Alfa. I think the monthly was like $540 PM

BMW was $2869 down including everything OTD. $499 PM
Holy cow that's ridiculous.

I got mine for $2600 and $365 including tax out the door. Would've been $2000 down, but I got suckered into shelling out extra for this blue color. In my opinion, totally happy with the extra $600 lol. I'm in love with the color
Attached Images
  
Appreciate 1
clee1982405.50

      08-05-2019, 09:34 PM   #29
Savageenterprise
Lieutenant
United_States
567
Rep
500
Posts

Drives: 2018 340i xdrive
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Out and about

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by HyeWarrior View Post
Holy cow that's ridiculous.

I got mine for $2600 and $365 including tax out the door. Would've been $2000 down, but I got suckered into shelling out extra for this blue color. In my opinion, totally happy with the extra $600 lol. I'm in love with the color
Wow thatís a great deal! The blue is definitely nice, Alfa does really nice paint jobs.

The one I was looking at had the adaptive suspension, upgraded 19inch diablo looking wheels and was also a Q4 (awd). Idk what options you got but I see yours is RWD, I think thatís like a 2k difference in price alone.

Itís cool though, I really wanted a manual which was not an option on the guilia so I guess it all worked out

Has it been reliable for you? That was another concern I had about the Alfa.
__________________
"You can't deposit excuses"

2018 340ix 6MT//BSM//Coral Red int//Alum Dark Carbon//19 in 704M double spoke Orbit Grey OEM wheels//CF side mirror caps//CF trunk lid spoiler//Dinan mid pipe res delete//BMS intake//Active Autowerke A8//Gloss Black M style grills//IND BSM Reflectors
Appreciate 0
      08-05-2019, 09:55 PM   #30
HyeWarrior
Major
673
Rep
1,077
Posts

Drives: 2012 135i DCT
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: San Dimas, CA

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savageenterprise View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by HyeWarrior View Post
Holy cow that's ridiculous.

I got mine for $2600 and $365 including tax out the door. Would've been $2000 down, but I got suckered into shelling out extra for this blue color. In my opinion, totally happy with the extra $600 lol. I'm in love with the color
Wow that’s a great deal! The blue is definitely nice, Alfa does really nice paint jobs.

The one I was looking at had the adaptive suspension, upgraded 19inch diablo looking wheels and was also a Q4 (awd). Idk what options you got but I see yours is RWD, I think that’s like a 2k difference in price alone.

It’s cool though, I really wanted a manual which was not an option on the guilia so I guess it all worked out

Has it been reliable for you? That was another concern I had about the Alfa.
Those wheels are definitely gorgeous. I believe mine is pretty much the base model aside from the 8" infotainment system and the blind spot monitoring. I'm very tempted to get a set of those wheels though. I found a set for a fairly good price.

The AWD I'm sure would hike up the price a bit. I was just looking for a close to base model car.

Can't really speak on reliability though, haven't even put 300 miles on the car yet lol
Appreciate 0
      08-05-2019, 10:21 PM   #31
Darth One
drunk poster
Darth One's Avatar
United_States
2833
Rep
2,569
Posts

Drives: M4 GTS | E46 M3
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: FL

iTrader: (0)

I guess the fact that guys are talking about leasing Alfas on a BMW leasing thread really means that bmw leases are truly horrible now
Appreciate 1
ted9960.00

      08-05-2019, 11:10 PM   #32
HyeWarrior
Major
673
Rep
1,077
Posts

Drives: 2012 135i DCT
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: San Dimas, CA

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth One View Post
I guess the fact that guys are talking about leasing Alfas on a BMW leasing thread really means that bmw leases are truly horrible now
Wanting $4000 down and $400+ payments before taxes and fees for a base model 330i is definitely turnoff
Appreciate 1
ted9960.00

      08-08-2019, 03:02 AM   #33
EstorilM240
Private
66
Rep
68
Posts

Drives: 2017 M240i 6MT
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: California

iTrader: (0)

Comparing now to fall 2016, the lease payments on the same 2 series would be 13% higher, due to a 5 percentage points worse residual and a two-tenths of a precent APR bump on the money factor. Before the recent interest rate environment pointing towards cuts/drop in yields, the APR was even worse. You can peruse various Edmunds lease threads and leasehackr threads to see how deals have generally gotten less nice in the last few years.

After their epic C&D long term test bomb, Alfa really has to juice their lease offers to get people moving
Appreciate 1
ted9960.00

      08-09-2019, 12:58 PM   #34
NYG
Captain
NYG's Avatar
United_States
590
Rep
729
Posts

Drives: 2019 M4 CS
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Brooklyn, NY

iTrader: (0)

I don't know about you but my CS lease is ridiculous.
Appreciate 0
      08-09-2019, 01:10 PM   #35
530iDriver
Lieutenant Colonel
530iDriver's Avatar
United_States
961
Rep
1,644
Posts

Drives: 2017 BMW 530i
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Florida

iTrader: (0)

Good move in part of BMW to stop heavy lease program subsidizing. This will ensure better resale value for these cars and limit availability to those who can truly afford them new.
__________________
2017 BMW 530i, Sport Line,Alpine White, Canberra Beige Sensatec, 19 inch V-Spoke wheels, basic plain Jane build with no options whatsoever..... "Less is more".

Before: 2011 BMW 328i E90 sedan, Platinum Bronze Metallic, Dakota Brown leather, 17 inch wheels, 6-speed auto, N52 6 Cyl inline N/A goodness....
Appreciate 1
clee1982405.50

      08-14-2019, 01:44 PM   #36
Staszek
Schumacher
Staszek's Avatar
204
Rep
1,671
Posts

Drives: E30, E38, F15, E93 M3,G12 750i
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Lake Forest, IL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 530iDriver View Post
Good move in part of BMW to stop heavy lease program subsidizing. This will ensure better resale value for these cars and limit availability to those who can truly afford them new.
I think it also really depends on the car.

The only reason I got the new 750i over the 5 is they were giving them away with incentives.

The new 5 and especially the M5 is hotter right now so no need to discount.
Appreciate 0
      08-15-2019, 05:13 PM   #37
Humdizzle
Captain
588
Rep
695
Posts

Drives: 2010 ferrari 458
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Missouri

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 530iDriver View Post
Good move in part of BMW to stop heavy lease program subsidizing. This will ensure better resale value for these cars and limit availability to those who can truly afford them new.
I agree. you water down the market when everyone can get the car. I'm not sure why BMW just didn't make the MSRP in line with the lease rates. Was it just to fool lease owners into thinking they are getting a good deal so they'd sign up ?
__________________

2010 Ferrari 458
2015 SSII F80 6MT
2009 Honda Civic
Previous: E36 M3 | E46 M3 | R35 GTR | FR-S | F30 335i
Appreciate 0
      08-23-2019, 02:14 PM   #38
nyc328ci
Russian in a Bimmer
nyc328ci's Avatar
United_States
246
Rep
5,269
Posts

Drives: X5 40e
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Brooklyn NY

iTrader: (3)

Send a message via AIM to nyc328ci
Who remembers the days off...
24 month lease specials
.00120 MF
6 months pull ahead
__________________
2013 X6 - retired
2015 X6 - retired
2015 435GC - retired
2018 X5 40e - retired
2020 X5 M50i - On Order
Appreciate 0
      08-25-2019, 02:54 PM   #39
vitaly
Second Lieutenant
61
Rep
234
Posts

Drives: NA
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

BMW lease programs aren't as good as years past, but they're far better than MB, Audi, and Porsche.

If the Fed reduces rates further, we should see an improvement in BMWFS's MF as well. But .00145 is very competitive today. Residuals are better or inline with competition as well.
Appreciate 0
      08-28-2019, 01:33 PM   #40
PilotPri
Private
PilotPri's Avatar
United_States
3
Rep
61
Posts

Drives: 19 M4 & 16 Maserati Ghibli S
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Tampa, FL

iTrader: (0)

Thought my lease on a 19 M4 was pretty solid
$2515 down
$4550 refundable deposit
$641/month
30k miles / 36months

Options: full leather seats, heads up display, black grill (6speed)
Attached Images
 
Appreciate 0
      08-31-2019, 11:43 AM   #41
ASAP
Bavarian Motor Works
ASAP's Avatar
No_Country
2463
Rep
4,304
Posts

Drives: Walking Everywhere
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by PilotPri View Post
Thought my lease on a 19 M4 was pretty solid
$2515 down
$4550 refundable deposit
$641/month
30k miles / 36months

Options: full leather seats, heads up display, black grill (6speed)
Is the $7500 dealer contribution here?
Appreciate 0
      09-03-2019, 06:42 PM   #42
thebmw
Post Advisor
164
Rep
760
Posts

Drives: Many BMWs and SRTs
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Illinois

iTrader: (2)

I remember when lease rates and MF were posted on these forums. Doesn't seem to happen anymore. The leases were way better up to about 7 years ago when everything started to change.
Appreciate 0
      09-04-2019, 11:42 AM   #43
F30ZHP
Major
F30ZHP's Avatar
United_States
665
Rep
1,056
Posts

Drives: 2018 BMW 340i ZHP
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Claremont, CA

iTrader: (0)

Tell you this much, regardless of what the lease rates are, I will always choose to LEASE a new BMW instead of BUYING one.
__________________

2018 Melbourne Red 340i ZHP
Previous BMW's:
2012 Le Mans Blue 335i Coupe / 1990 Alpine White M3
Appreciate 0
      09-04-2019, 11:56 AM   #44
Obioban
Emperor
857
Rep
2,201
Posts

Drives: 05 M3, 04 M3iT , 01 M5, 17 i3
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: West Chester, PA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2017 BMW i3  [0.00]
2005 BMW M3 Coupe  [0.00]
2004 BMW M3 Wagon  [0.00]
2001 BMW M5  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by F30ZHP View Post
Tell you this much, regardless of what the lease rates are, I will always choose to LEASE a new BMW instead of BUYING one.
Why's that?
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:57 AM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST