Ideal front tire size for 19" Volk TE37SL with 295 rear

UGADawgFan · 03-10-2014, 02:08 PM

Hi All,

I've exhaustively been searching this for a couple weeks now and I can't come to a conclusion. Yes, I've read all of the threads that relate to front tire size.

My current set up is 19x9.5 +21, 19x10.5 +22 Volk TE37SLs on 265/35 and 295/30 Pilot Sport PS2's. My car is lowered on Swift Springs (a little less than an inch) I've got about two or three mountain runs left before the fronts are toast.

I know the 265/35 is too tall as I've been rubbing. The rear rubs as well on big bumps or if I'm fully loaded with fuel and passengers however it's not too bad.

I don't drive the car a ton (~4,500 miles over the past year, about 3,500 miles on the new wheels) so the fender liner isn't too beat up (yet).

My dilemma is this. I know everyone raves about the Michelin PSS and I love my PS2's but I'm not sure I want to spend $1600 on tires. They'll last me years with how little I drive it, but I was hoping to get S04 Pole Positions as they seem like the best price/performance combo. The car had brand new Hankook V12s when I bought it, but I didn't like the way they felt (a little soggy) so I don't want to go that route either. I do no track days just aggressive mountain driving occasionally with friends in the beautiful PNW. If I start doing track days, then I'll buy a set of dedicated wheels/tires.

So that leads to..what's the ideal tire size? I'm also limited in that a lot of manufacturers will make the front set, but not the rear set or vice versa.

I'm considering: 255/35 and 295/30 (S04's come in this size) but I'm wondering if the understeer will be way more pronounced with the big stagger.

265/30, 295/30- No S04 option, limited to PSS or Hankooks- will the front sidewall look "skinny"?

275/30, 295/30- Is rubbing an issue for front? Also no S04 option, limited to basically PSS, Falken 453, or Hankook's.

I'd appreciate the feedback all!

slicer · 03-10-2014, 03:25 PM

275/30/19 front and 295/30/19 rear is what I would run in either Michelin PSS or Yokohama AD08. You need to maximize your negative camber front and rear but it's well worth it. You will be able to eliminate any rubbing in the front but the rear needs et25 or more for no rubbing with a 295/30/19 on a 10.5" wheel.

See link for pictures of my car with the above listed tire sizes on 9.5" et 18 front (et23 wheel with a 5mm spacer) and 10.5" et25 rear wheels.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...light=volk+g25

info@trinityautosport · 03-10-2014, 03:31 PM

Im on VRG2s 19x9.5 and 19x10.5, running on 275/30 and 295/30

UGADawgFan · 03-10-2014, 04:04 PM

Thanks guys, and the 275/295 has no major adverse changes to handling?

dparm · 03-10-2014, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by UGADawgFan

Thanks guys, and the 275/295 has no major adverse changes to handling?

Generally speaking, wider tires reduce steering feedback. It will feel sloppier as you go wider.

And of course, wider will be worse on wet pavement.

slicer · 03-10-2014, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by UGADawgFan

Thanks guys, and the 275/295 has no major adverse changes to handling?

The only negative is some additional tramlining when driving on uneven surfaces. Some prefer a more "square" tire sizing to get more neutral handling (275 front and rear or 275/285 combo). Some might also say they like the "lighter" feel of the narrower OEM tire sizes. Wider tires with wheels that are too narrow is not ideal; but as long as you have 9.5" or 10" front wheels then 275's are great. I don't like 275's on 9" or narrower wheels.

Every other thing I can say about running 275/295 is positive. I personally love the 275/295 combo and I have ran that along with 275/285. I first put 275's on the front of my M3 5 years ago and have never ran anything narrower since. I love the feel of the front end grip with 275's.

s85e90 · 03-10-2014, 05:48 PM

Don't shoot me, but I still like the good ole 245/275 combo (stepped to 35 rear); 18s.

Everyone seems to rave about stuffing a 275 up front. I may look into it. Is the steering much heavier?

Malek@MRF · 03-12-2014, 11:12 AM

275-30-19 front.

rjd598 · 03-13-2014, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by s85e90

Don't shoot me, but I still like the good ole 245/275 combo (stepped to 35 rear); 18s.

Everyone seems to rave about stuffing a 275 up front. I may look into it. Is the steering much heavier?

i'm about to buy pss in 245/35/19 and 275/35/19. anyone else can comment on this size setup? sorry for the somewhat thread jack

Someone? · 03-13-2014, 10:34 PM

I did 255-35-19/ 275-35-19 in the PSS, not sure why you would want to go w/30 in back the 265-35 is 26.3 dia. the 275-35 is 26.6 dia. , but the 275-30 is way smaller at 25.6 dia.
You would have to go to at least a 295 to do the 30 which is 26 dia. and the 305-30 is the same as stock at 26.3 dia.

UGADawgFan · 03-14-2014, 06:25 PM

275 30 coming up guys- thanks for the help. I guess I'll have to suck it up and buy PSS. Hard to go to Hankook's after PS2's.

rjd598 · 03-14-2014, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ibmike

I did 255-35-19/ 275-35-19 in the PSS, not sure why you would want to go w/30 in back the 265-35 is 26.3 dia. the 275-35 is 26.6 dia. , but the 275-30 is way smaller at 25.6 dia.
You would have to go to at least a 295 to do the 30 which is 26 dia. and the 305-30 is the same as stock at 26.3 dia.

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Originally Posted by UGADawgFan

275 30 coming up guys- thanks for the help. I guess I'll have to suck it up and buy PSS. Hard to go to Hankook's after PS2's.

so why is 275/30 bad? any issues with handling or performance?

Malek@MRF · 03-14-2014, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rjd598

so why is 275/30 bad? any issues with handling or performance?

275/30/19 isn't bad, it's the correct size.

O.D. of 275/30/19 = 25.55"
O.D. of 245/35/19 = 25.8"

rjd598 · 03-14-2014, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Malek@MRF

275/30/19 isn't bad, it's the correct size.

O.D. of 275/30/19 = 25.55"
O.D. of 245/35/19 = 25.8"

thanks malek! i didn't think it was "bad" necessarily it just didn't seem to get alot of love really. im picking up a used set of pss so obviously i don't have the option of choosing 275/35 which is much more common

byroncheung · 10-24-2018, 11:07 PM

contemplating getting te37 19x9.5 21 and 19x10.5 22... would OEM ZCP tires be too stretched on these rims? kinda don't want to go through the trouble of selling my existing tires and getting new ones (ultimately i want beefier tires but i'm hoping i can wait until i'm done with my existing tires)

Richbot · 10-25-2018, 12:50 PM

I'm using 275/30-19 on 9.5" ET23's square right now, with a small rear spacer. My right front fender liner is touching by the bulge for the washer fluid reservoir, oddly more than the 285/40-17's I had on the car before. Maybe the squarer sidewall? Or maybe that liner is just done and literally can't even anymore. It's been througha lot. No rubbing on the left side.

Also, RE diameters:

Brand new 275/30-19 = 25.55 or whatever the spec is

245/35-19 = 25.8, when new. Take 4/32" of tread depth away (multiply by two because there's tread on both sides of the diameter) and suddenly the diameter is...wait for it...25.55"

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UGADawgFan Major 587 Rep 1,017 Posts Drives: 991.1 GT3, B9 S4, E92 M3, G05 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Woodstock, GA iTrader: (3)	Thanks guys, and the 275/295 has no major adverse changes to handling?
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Richbot Major General 2759 Rep 5,483 Posts Drives: Jerez Black E90 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: STL iTrader: (5)	I'm using 275/30-19 on 9.5" ET23's square right now, with a small rear spacer. My right front fender liner is touching by the bulge for the washer fluid reservoir, oddly more than the 285/40-17's I had on the car before. Maybe the squarer sidewall? Or maybe that liner is just done and literally can't even anymore. It's been througha lot. No rubbing on the left side. Also, RE diameters: Brand new 275/30-19 = 25.55 or whatever the spec is 245/35-19 = 25.8, when new. Take 4/32" of tread depth away (multiply by two because there's tread on both sides of the diameter) and suddenly the diameter is...wait for it...25.55" __________________ Last edited by Richbot; 10-25-2018 at 01:00 PM..
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