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The other issue I see with trains of cars is that you get point-by-ception. The guy in front of me will know I'm faster, give me the point-by, but the guy ahead of him starts giving a point-by and suddenly sees me behind him so he swerves back over and cancels it. Not good.
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I'm a supporter of giving intermediate students capable of driving safely some solo time so they can practice what they learned without interruption. In my experience, the more seasoned instructors will often sit quietly for most of a lap if you're not doing anything drastically wrong so that's almost the same thing. |
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Personally, I mix it up. Out of 25 track days this summer, around 10 are instructed. Before each instructed session, share what you want to work on with the instructor so that their feedback is congruent with your goals. Doing so will make having them in the car with you less of a lecture and more of a coaching session.
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1. Stay on street tires
2. Think about the balance of the car vs brake, turn in, apex, track out. 3. Braking...hardest part is being smooth on the brakes. Common thing I see is people threshold braking every turn. It goes back to balance of the car, track, tires, etc. Learned a ton driving a day without ABS. Although it could be expensive if you flat spot your tires. I was definitely much faster with ABS.
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My comment was on the roll bar (for the most part) so "just yes". If the car is trailered to the track, never mind and carry on. Schroth QF Pro harnesses are a fine choice for HPDE. Regular race harnesses only work with fixed back seats and if you put those in you need to put in a roll bar. You need the roll bar to prevent the setback from going backwards (you do have a seat back brace in the car, right?) and to get the belts installed within the allowable angle range of the belts (over the seat and down the shoulders has a specific, allowable angle range). If you drive your car to the track and commute in it, a roll bar presents a significantly higher risk to your health. You spend more time in the car off track than on track (assuming above conditions) and you're much less safe on the roadways than on the track (accidents per mile), assuming you run w/a decent HPDE group that exerts control over the participants. My sister got whiplash when we were rear ended at a stop sign at about 10mph. If there'd have been a roll bar in the car it may have been a head injury on top of the whiplash.
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I like this answer very much because I am debating (with myself) about the cage or harness bar. Given my objective of keeping the car mods to as stealth as possible, the roll cage was not on my agenda, but safety is and I was thinking one sided. track safety. So role cage was entering my thoughts. It is easy to get carried away when one watch Formula One races and daydream about the possibilities of careers in the after life. So for me, it will have to be BK harness bar and can be stowed out of the way when on the street and the OEM 3-point is kept functional. It is my long winded way to say thank you @admranger for your point of view |
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I have made zero modifications to the interior of my car. I have the rear seat removed right now so I can haul wheels, jack, tools, etc to and from the track, but I can't leave it like that permanently. Is a seat back brace something I need now? Is it something that can be in there while still retaining the functionality of the back seat when needed? I was looking at Schroth QF Pro harnesses on Bimmerworld and it said in the description "These harnesses are designed to be used with stock seats that have passed a seat back strength test." What does that mean? Do I need to test my seats, and if so, how do I do that? I feel like I ask stupid questions sometimes, but soon I will have exhausted all of the dumb newbie questions I promise. Quote:
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I believe seat back strength is important because the seats have a reclining mechanism which can fail. My argument for the quick fit pro's is you're firmly planted in the seat and you're able to control the car better. It also improves your ability to feel what the car is doing resulting (hopefully) in better car control. The in between to a full cage is a gray area. Unless someone has crashed with a roll bar or BK harness bar with different angles of impact at varying levels of force...its all theory. I would not take that chance especially since a perfectly good, tested, and approved alternative is available - Schroth quick fits.
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You can get 7 in the back seat of an E90 if you're not tall. Probably not worth the effort and not sure why you would ever need to do that but it can be done.
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I have been thinking that for closer tracks, ie: Road Atlanta, AMP, CMP, the Performance Center... that I should probably just swap wheels at home and drive to the track with them on. There are 2 things for me to consider though. 1. I have found it is WAY easier to remove my spacers when my car is still relatively hot about 30 mins after my last session, vs trying to pry them off when I get home. This alone makes me want to still change my tires at the track even for close trips. 2. And, close tracks only make up a portion of my schedule, so I still need to get good at cramming all my shit in the car with no issues. My next event is about 9 hours away, just south of Pittsburg, and I don't want to waste my track tires on a long drive like that. This year I am learning just how much I will have to spend on tires and brakes, as I am using up those things much faster than last year lol. Maybe I'm over thinking it, I don't know One great thing did happen this weekend though! A friend I made at the ARPCA event I went to at WGI in May has offered me a place to stay while I'm at Pitt Race... awesome!! Seriously love my track community |
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Use tire totes and also a large moving blanket for the back seat. Also, if you're changing at the track, bring along a stiff brush and clean off all the rocks and grit from the tire, and then put it right into the tire tote.
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I am definitely not trying hard enough. Do you have the rear seats down or up?
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