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      08-16-2018, 07:46 AM   #45
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If the wheel is pushed back 6 inches you obviously have a bent strut, knuckle control arms etc... That's not the worst of it as they are all replaceable items and are designed to do just that on a hit as to cushion against frame damage. The key is the K frame. If that has moved then that would be where you are totaled. My "guess" dparm is gonna love that lol, but my guess is the K frame probably has not moved.
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You buy the whole piece in the attached picture (if it attached correctly). Remove it at the factory welds/rivets, and install the new piece in the same factory arrangement. Then you finish it off with factory seam sealer and you'd never know it's been touched.

The doors, you can typically "skin" them and just replace the outer sheet metal as long as the structure is untouched. Literally just peel off the outer sheet metal and clamp on the new. EDIT: looking at the parts list, I don't see door skins as an option, so replacement might be necessary. Not sure on that one.

The subframe is pretty stout. as long as it meets measurements it's ok. You'll likely need all new suspension linkages though.
So we will be looking at replacing item #4 (or #5?) as you've shown in your spare parts drawing? Or are you saying you replace the assembly as a whole (#15 or #1? Drawing doubles up on some items it seems)?

And for the door skins, you're saying the skins don't appear to be an option, so the entire door sans inner door cards would need to be replaced? I know the driver's lock is fubar, too.
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If the wheel is pushed back 6 inches you obviously have a bent strut, knuckle control arms etc... That's not the worst of it as they are all replaceable items and are designed to do just that on a hit as to cushion against frame damage. The key is the K frame. If that has moved then that would be where you are totaled. My "guess" dparm is gonna love that lol, but my guess is the K frame probably has not moved.
Is dparm a bent K frame advocate?
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If the wheel is pushed back 6 inches you obviously have a bent strut, knuckle control arms etc... That's not the worst of it as they are all replaceable items and are designed to do just that on a hit as to cushion against frame damage. The key is the K frame. If that has moved then that would be where you are totaled. My "guess" dparm is gonna love that lol, but my guess is the K frame probably has not moved.
Is dparm a bent K frame advocate?
lol no. But he does not like when non specialists play the guessing game.
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So we will be looking at replacing item #4 (or #5?) as you've shown in your spare parts drawing? Or are you saying you replace the assembly as a whole (#15 or #1? Drawing doubles up on some items it seems)?

And for the door skins, you're saying the skins don't appear to be an option, so the entire door sans inner door cards would need to be replaced? I know the driver's lock is fubar, too.
Anything other than #1 will require some body filler, but it will be very minimal to cover welds. #1 should not require filler. #4 would be the other option that would require some small amount of filler.

Yeah, you would replace the door shell. all the components, cards, glass, etc. would be transferred to the new shell.
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So we will be looking at replacing item #4 (or #5?) as you've shown in your spare parts drawing? Or are you saying you replace the assembly as a whole (#15 or #1? Drawing doubles up on some items it seems)?

And for the door skins, you're saying the skins don't appear to be an option, so the entire door sans inner door cards would need to be replaced? I know the driver's lock is fubar, too.
Anything other than #1 will require some body filler, but it will be very minimal to cover welds. #1 should not require filler. #4 would be the other option that would require some small amount of filler.

Yeah, you would replace the door shell. all the components, cards, glass, etc. would be transferred to the new shell.
There he is, the genius of salvage M3 builds. Good to see you weighing in.
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Sorry to hear about what happened. Glad that you and the Mrs. are allright and that's what's most important. In the grand scheme of things the rest is just plastic, metal and rubber. Hopefully, you will be back in an e9x M car in no time.

As for the hoping that the car is written off - maybe a prudent technician at a friendly shop can "inspect the damage more thoroughly" and "find previously unnoticed damage that would assure the car is written off, such as a cracked engine block or transmission case or something else that is really expensive"
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Sorry to hear about what happened. Glad that you and the Mrs. are allright and that's what's most important. In the grand scheme of things the rest is just plastic, metal and rubber. Hopefully, you will be back in an e9x M car in no time.

As for the hoping that the car is written off - maybe a prudent technician at a friendly shop can "inspect the damage more thoroughly" and "find previously unnoticed damage that would assure the car is written off, such as a cracked engine block or transmission case or something else that is really expensive"
None of that will be needed, this car is a goner.
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That's a damn shame. Even with the UofA tag, I really feel bad for you. Always a concern for me as there's nothing I'd want to replace ours with if it was totaled.
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None of that will be needed, this car is a goner.
Thanks again for your help with this. Been a great help!

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That's a damn shame. Even with the UofA tag, I really feel bad for you. Always a concern for me as there's nothing I'd want to replace ours with if it was totaled.
Look a little closer at the tag... It's certainly not UofA
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I'm going to take a wild guess and say that's at least $15K in damages.
I would not want that car fixed.
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      08-16-2018, 03:23 PM   #56
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I'm going to take a wild guess and say that's at least $15K in damages.
I would not want that car fixed.
I'm in the same boat!

Side note, how do you like the Grand Cherokee? That is on our shortlist.
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Fawk this pisses me off. Honestly can't deal with the dumb ass people on the road today that cause these accidents. I'm glad you and the wife are safe and are ok. Cars are replaceable but it gets to a point they aren't. I worry every time I'm in my E90.

My instinct tells me that car is totaled. If you got a bent roof or something along those lines, the whole thing could be tweaked. I hope for your sake you can find another
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      08-16-2018, 04:04 PM   #58
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Bummer Tyler! Glad you are okay.

I heard from Mark and Mary about your crazy situation yesterday.

: pour one for another E90 gone.
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I just looked through all of your photos and I am sorry that happened to your car. I would have been completely livid as I'm sure you were, some people really don't deserve to have a driver's license (girl in Galant). I hope that they give you a fair price for the car, and don't accept a repair, it looks too far gone to be fixed.
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Fawk this pisses me off. Honestly can't deal with the dumb ass people on the road today that cause these accidents. I'm glad you and the wife are safe and are ok. Cars are replaceable but it gets to a point they aren't. I worry every time I'm in my E90.

My instinct tells me that car is totaled. If you got a bent roof or something along those lines, the whole thing could be tweaked. I hope for your sake you can find another
Sometimes it can be hard to enjoy the car because of fear of damage from other drivers.
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Really, really crappy man. Glad you both were not hurt........dumbass drivers.
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I'm in the same boat!

Side note, how do you like the Grand Cherokee? That is on our shortlist.
I love it. The V8 is awesome and a must have. Ride is nice. Typical American car fit and finish but overall its not that bad. I like it a lot better than the LandRover LR2 that it replaced.

Probably not as nice as an X5 but its a lot less $$
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The doors, you can typically "skin" them and just replace the outer sheet metal as long as the structure is untouched. Literally just peel off the outer sheet metal and clamp on the new. EDIT: looking at the parts list, I don't see door skins as an option, so replacement might be necessary. Not sure on that one.
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And for the door skins, you're saying the skins don't appear to be an option, so the entire door sans inner door cards would need to be replaced? I know the driver's lock is fubar, too.
Just had some damage replaced on my X3 and they had to replace the entire door--no skins available from BMW per the body shop and the insurance company. I liked that solution better anyway.
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Fawk this pisses me off. Honestly can't deal with the dumb ass people on the road today that cause these accidents. I'm glad you and the wife are safe and are ok. Cars are replaceable but it gets to a point they aren't. I worry every time I'm in my E90.

My instinct tells me that car is totaled. If you got a bent roof or something along those lines, the whole thing could be tweaked. I hope for your sake you can find another
The driver's door wasn't pleasant to open, but the damage to the roof appears to be from something hitting it, not a buckle.

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Bummer Tyler! Glad you are okay.

I heard from Mark and Mary about your crazy situation yesterday.

: pour one for another E90 gone.
It's been a rough road!

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I just looked through all of your photos and I am sorry that happened to your car. I would have been completely livid as I'm sure you were, some people really don't deserve to have a driver's license (girl in Galant). I hope that they give you a fair price for the car, and don't accept a repair, it looks too far gone to be fixed.
Yeah I've already explained that I don't want the car back.

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Sometimes it can be hard to enjoy the car because of fear of damage from other drivers.
It scares me no doubt. Makes me want to get something more oriented for the road and get an E46 or something that's dedicated for AutoX, mountain runs, etc.

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Really, really crappy man. Glad you both were not hurt........dumbass drivers.
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Just had some damage replaced on my X3 and they had to replace the entire door--no skins available from BMW per the body shop and the insurance company. I liked that solution better anyway.
I figured as much. Thanks for the input.
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So we spent all of yesterday driving around from dealership to dealership. After the accident and realizing just how great the M3 did handling the impacts and the minimal injuries that we both have, I realize that Ivey needs to be in something a bit more up to date. She predominately drives the Jeep, but it's an archaic design with no emphasis on safety - hell the thing doesn't even have rear headrests!

I could not find anything that was a nice place to be. I must have gotten spoiled with the M3, but I would have thought that cars would have exceeded its build quality on a now ten year old design rather than go the opposite direction! I did sit in a Yas Marina F80 M3 that had a similar spec to my E90 (Speed Cloth, no sunroof, etc.), and I absolutely loved being in it. Incredibly comfortable and fit me like a glove. Controls and interface were exactly where I would expect and intuitive. I was considering a test drive, but at the same moment an F82 drove through the BMW lot for service with an aftermarket exhaust and changed my mind. That's not a jab or poking fun since we all joke about it, but it was sincerely terrible sounding. Well that and Ivey would have my balls in a jar if I spent that much scratch on a car right now. I did get in an F31 330i wagon with the M Sport package and drove it. It wasn't terrible, but the tablet taped on the dash seemed like an after-thought, and it only had 7k miles in its year since birth with side bolsters already showing significant wear and scratches/wear on interior items that appeared to be just from usual, daily use. My 2011 M3 has 60k+ miles on it and the interior looks like new!!!

My car hasn't been totaled as of yet, and considering the estimate that was sent to me on Friday to perform the repairs, this is going to be a long, steep hill. To avoid raising my blood pressure on the subject, I won't dive into that, but I'm fairly confident that they were in fact appraising a different car on the lot (repairing wheels that have spokes missing instead of replacing, "refinishing" the driver's door mirror which obviously exploded into a zillion pieces, and not a single line item that references repairing the suspension work as just a few examples from the many that were performed by someone with great incompetence (nor an appraiser license number apparently)). The car will be going to a different location (MY repair facility). But I'll dive into those details later.

Regardless, I am preparing for what I expect to be a total loss. I have no idea what to replace the car with. The only cars that I would even consider if they were another E90, based on what I have been finding on the market currently, are pretty expensive. I really liked the idea of getting into an F31 and then circling back to another E9x car in the hopefully near future, but the material quality of the F-gen cars has evidently declined compared to the E9x cars unless you double/triple your budget for an M car. The electric steering was not confidence-inspiring, and just the slightest input of the steering wheel resulted in the rear of the car following the input much later...almost felt like the rear of the car was connected to the front by a pivot point similar to towing a trailer. The outcome of the accident has solidified my love for the brand, but BMW!!! What happened to your quality? My perception has always been that you are a premium brand, but my loaner Ford Explorer has a nicer interior than the 2017 F31 330i I just drove yesterday!!!!! I may just get Ivey an Explorer, I'll drive the Jeep every day, and get on another three year waiting list for another E90...........
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I'm going to take a wild guess and say that's at least $15K in damages.
I would not want that car fixed.
I hit a deer. Required a new front right fender, bumper cover, and headlight assembly. Went over $8K. I’d say this is far more expensive.
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