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      10-05-2018, 04:12 PM   #111
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the guys who are overheating the car is a small percentage of the track guys. The ones who are pushing the car 10/10 in temps greater than 80 degrees. And to be honest most of them are perfectly fine with upgrading the oil cooler and radiator to fix those issues. In a way its similar to those guys who were overheating their e92 and e46's as well. The casual track day goers didnt have any issues, and the ones pushing the snot out of theirs saw temps creep up.
Last track day I went to at Buttonwillow had 4 of 4 CTRs attending not able to run more than a few laps before overheating. This includes cars with upgraded intercoolers and radiators... this is not a good track record. Also, look at the various blogs and videos that speak of this issue. It is very common.

Yes, the e92 335i had overheating issues as well. Other cars like the 370z too... but the Civic Type R is advertised as a track car - the main selling point is the fast lap time on track. You'd figure Honda engineers would place more thought into the cooling off the car. Instead they shipped a half-baked product figuring most buyers would never track their cars.

The M3s (E92) have no heat issues out on track. I can drive all day in 110+ degree heat on stock cooling and it is fine.
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      10-05-2018, 04:27 PM   #112
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I hope most M car owners don't feel this way. Honda has a long history in racing and has produced some really good sports cars - NSX, S2000 and CTR. In fact base civics are really good cars for the price. Please don't knock cars based on the badge. It gives bmw drivers bad reps
Brand is one thing, model is another. I would NEVER give up my M for a civic. It could have 1 million HP and it just wouldn't happen. At the end of the day its still a civic. On the other hand I've owned an S2000 and it was a fantastic car. It's not the Honda badge everyone here is hating on, its fact that under all the ridiculous looking aero and good lap times its still a civic.
I respect your opinion but then one could say the same thing about m3's- that it's based on a 3 series. The fact is a lot of knowledge from racing went into creating Civic type R and I admire the passion and the blood/sweat/tears of the engineers who developed it. I don't like the styling of CTR but I can still appreciate other aspects of it. It's a proper driver's car, more so than many bmw's.
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Plus I'd constantly be waiting for it to turn into a robot.
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Last track day I went to at Buttonwillow had 4 of 4 CTRs attending not able to run more than a few laps before overheating. This includes cars with upgraded intercoolers and radiators... this is not a good track record. Also, look at the various blogs and videos that speak of this issue. It is very common.

Yes, the e92 335i had overheating issues as well. Other cars like the 370z too... but the Civic Type R is advertised as a track car - the main selling point is the fast lap time on track. You'd figure Honda engineers would place more thought into the cooling off the car. Instead they shipped a half-baked product figuring most buyers would never track their cars.
Sounds like CTR's have a lot in common with Z06's, GT350 electronics pack, Mustang GT PP1 & PP2, or SC'd E9x M3's. Forced induction cars are especially tough to keep cool. I agree that when an OEM markets a car as "Type R" and the R stands for Racing, then it should have sufficient heat dissipation!
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Sounds like CTR's have a lot in common with Z06's, GT350 electronics pack, Mustang GT PP1 & PP2, or SC'd E9x M3's. Forced induction cars are especially tough to keep cool. I agree that when an OEM markets a car as "Type R" and the R stands for Racing, then it should have sufficient heat dissipation!
I've had a lot of forced induction cars that run fine on track. I had two Evos, both modded with additional horsepower on stock cooling - never had any issues on track. Same with a 240SX with a SR20DET swap running OEM cooling. Never had any issues.

I really think car companies need to step up and make their cars more reliable on track rather than just advertise big numbers (horsepower and/or lap times).
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“The good lap time” of the Type R is done with semislicks, 50kg weight reduction, and a pro driver, with suspension specifically tuned to Nordschleife. Put the same semislicks and pro driver on M3, you will see similar/better lap times.
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“The good lap time” of the Type R is done with semislicks, 50kg weight reduction, and a pro driver, with suspension specifically tuned to Nordschleife. Put the same semislicks and pro driver on M3, you will see similar/better lap times.
In the latest car and driver the Civic with oem curb weight and tires lapped VIR about 2 seconds faster than an e92 m3. Impressive.

Also, a 2.0T 4 cylinder camaro 1le with only 275 hp lapped VIR in about the same time as the m3.
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It's an E46 330i replacement
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I'm putting a deposit down for a 2019 CTR in sonic gray
Will be a fun DD
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To be honest I would take a Focus RS over the CTR.
A Ford over a Honda !?
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A Ford over a Honda !?
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Yes a Ford over a Honda...a Ford that is built in Germany.

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In the latest car and driver the Civic with oem curb weight and tires lapped VIR about 2 seconds faster than an e92 m3. Impressive.

Also, a 2.0T 4 cylinder camaro 1le with only 275 hp lapped VIR in about the same time as the m3.

VIR is a different track then when the E92 was tested on almost 10 years ago. Its been repaved and is quite a bit more faster. Also on much better tire technology vs. the older ContiSportcontact 3 or Mich PS2s.

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      10-08-2018, 04:39 PM   #123
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It's comparing apples to oranges. What makes the E92 M3 so great is the fact that it is a track beast, yet an elegant and comfortable daily driver. The feel of the leather, the carbon fiber bits, the machined wheels, all form together a beautiful car that shines just as well on a grocery run as it does on the track.

This is something you will not get with the CTR. While it may be quicker around the track, it is still a Honda Civic. It is a whole different breed and class of vehicle.

I digress, it all comes down to what you prioritize in a car. If track speed and gas mileage trump all else, perhaps the CTR is the right car for you. If design, quality, and engine is most important, stick with the M3. Figure out what you want out of a car, and then go towards the one that fulfills those needs.

Personally, I would never consider selling my car for the CTR for the simple fact that it will feel like a step backwards. A car is an extension of self, and when I am behind the wheel of my M3 I just feel fantastic. The CTR will never be able to match that pleasure no matter how quick it is on paper.
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They don't directly compare because one is FWD and other RWD—- however both are fantastic grocery getters and handle with sublime feedback in day to day driving.
'19 CTR will be added to stable.
I'm finished with the ridiculously overpriced 3 series that now cost as much as M3s of recent descent.

On the waiting list as of today for the 2019 update: 3100 lb
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I'll seriously consider a CTR in the next year when it comes time to let go of my M3. Great car. To all those who say it's just a Honda, the same was said about the Integra Type R which is considered one of the all time greats.
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how much are you willing to pay to play like is that 3-5sec difference is worth it? like when things break parts and labor will be a factor on how much you can afford it to have it running..if winning is winning go for m3 and if your satisfied to just keep up with them then ctr is for you...ive always wanted a type r but in cali the car scene is bad right now that mostly my evo and s2000 would get a state ref lol so i went for m3 so i would be out of the cops radar..
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The 2019 CTR is on the Honda site now....
Note the touchscreen now has a vol. knob
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The 2019 CTR is on the Honda site now....
Note the touchscreen now has a vol. knob
Ha! Biggest improvement they made.
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C&D Ten Best, again for '19
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The two cars are extremely different and it just depends on what your needs are. The e92 is aging in every department except looks (I still think its one of the best looking cars) The Type R is a great all around vehicle. Surprisingly comfortable and can take it to the track on the weekends and set some ridiculous times. Low end power is much more usable on a daily commute. going back to back you definitely notice the power difference. Sound like based on your needs the Type R would be a perfect car for you. Although you'll miss that V8! I currently own both cars =]

Going back to back you notice the power difference....
Can you expand on that thought please?
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CTR looks more mature in black,
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sell the M3 and get the civic. The m3 is not the car for you.
Hahaha! The hyundai Veloster N is pretty cool too.. or a chevy cruze.. shoot might as well consider a moped...
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