DINAN TO BUILD 630 HP M3 (628hp 5.7L V10)

[M3Lion]

but i'd still get one

[KonigsTiger]

Originally Posted by M3Lion

depends on how expensive, does anyone know anything about price for the v-10? but supercharger or turbos would be better. the stroker would be overkill; weight, power

Well, we know the Dinan stroker kit for the V10 engine is about $40,000. So, for the M3 V8 storker probably well above $30,000 for about 53 0bhp. A good SC kit with intercoolers etc... probably about $15,000 and +/- 550 bhp. A good turbo kit would probably be a least $30,000 IMO given that you would need to rework internals, lower compression pistons etc...., lots of piping, but could make well above 600 bhp!!

[typeR142]

im sure itll perform similar to the hartge h50 v-10

[KonigsTiger]

Outstanding vids!!!! Wow!

[M3Lion]

Originally Posted by BMW-M-Mexico

Well, we know the Dinan stroker kit for the V10 engine is about $40,000. So, for the M3 V8 storker probably well above $30,000 for about 53 0bhp. A good SC kit with intercoolers etc... probably about $15,000 and +/- 550 bhp. A good turbo kit would probably be a least $30,000 IMO given that you would need to rework internals, lower compression pistons etc...., lots of piping, but could make well above 600 bhp!!

that is the most awesome collection of letters ever to be typed into the internet. but has any company made a supercharger or turbo?

[KonigsTiger]

I know for a fact that Mosselman Turbosystems is completing and SC and also working on a turbo upgrade. There SC kit should be released sometime in November I suspect while the turbo system a bit later. Other tuners are also working on SC's etc.... and presume releases will start late this year for some and early next year. There will me many choices I am positive in terms of price, power, etc...

[ALPINE6SPD]

This car will be sick, Dinan will do a complete package and not just the engine so this car will be a great all arounder as well. This should be a nice comparision to the V10 e90 that Hartage completed a few years ago.

[KonigsTiger]

Originally Posted by ALPINE6SPD

This car will be sick, Dinan will do a complete package and not just the engine so this car will be a great all arounder as well. This should be a nice comparision to the V10 e90 that Hartage completed a few years ago.

Nice comparison??? I think it will kill the Hartage e90 V10. Can´t wait for Dinian to come up with this.

[nd54]

Originally Posted by BMW-M-Mexico

I know for a fact that Mosselman Turbosystems is completing and SC and also working on a turbo upgrade. There SC kit should be released sometime in November I suspect while the turbo system a bit later. Other tuners are also working on SC's etc.... and presume releases will start late this year for some and early next year. There will me many choices I am positive in terms of price, power, etc...

Forced induction on an 'M' car? I'd rather have the stroker kit.

[e36jakeo]

If the stroker kit can really deiver 500+ hp and probably a significant amount more torque (since stroking and displacement increases torque) then this should be outstanding because, unlike the Hartage V10, it will not significantly add weight to the nose while still achieving power gains.

I am looking forward to the results. Hopefully they can can the price <$20K (still 1/3 the value of the car) and provide the nice warranty.

[Sticky]

Originally Posted by e36jakeo

If the stroker kit can really deiver 500+ hp and probably a significant amount more torque (since stroking and displacement increases torque) then this should be outstanding because, unlike the Hartage V10, it will not significantly add weight to the nose while still achieving power gains.

I am looking forward to the results. Hopefully they can can the price <$20K (still 1/3 the value of the car) and provide the nice warranty.

Less than 20k, you are dreaming.

We would all love the stroker but for under 20k it will be forced induction that will be realistic, and make more power. I don't like the idea of boost either, but Dinan will want 35k probably and for that price I can live with boost.

[KonigsTiger]

Originally Posted by nd54

Forced induction on an 'M' car? I'd rather have the stroker kit.

I generally agree with you. Problem is that we lose way too much power out of an NA engine at this altitude. If I lived in Cali, Florida, most of Europe or close to sea level I would NOT turn to FI.

Originally Posted by e36jakeo

If the stroker kit can really deiver 500+ hp and probably a significant amount more torque (since stroking and displacement increases torque) then this should be outstanding because, unlike the Hartage V10, it will not significantly add weight to the nose while still achieving power gains.

I am looking forward to the results. Hopefully they can can the price <$20K (still 1/3 the value of the car) and provide the nice warranty.

Me too, it will make over 500 hp easily with NO added weight at all, but under $20, I'm thinking we're in business if its under around $30. The M5 stroker with only two more cylinders is around $40K.

Originally Posted by Sticky

Less than 20k, you are dreaming.

We would all love the stroker but for under 20k it will be forced induction that will be realistic, and make more power. I don't like the idea of boost either, but Dinan will want 35k probably and for that price I can live with boost.

+1

[e36jakeo]

I guess it comes down to how big of a market they want. If they charge north of $30k then you are looking at very very few folks willing to shell out half the value of their car again (and into GT3 territory) to gain 100 HP. If they can keep it closer to $20K then they may have 3x the number of folks willing to do it, and thus more profit overall. It all depends on how much it costs them and what volume they seek to make it worth their while.

Keep in mind also that the R&D for the V8 stroker kit should be minimal since it was already developed for the M5's V10 and they can use the same parts. I guess we will find out soon.

[Sticky]

Originally Posted by e36jakeo

I guess it comes down to how big of a market they want. If they charge north of $30k then you are looking at very very few folks willing to shell out half the value of their car again (and into GT3 territory) to gain 100 HP. If they can keep it closer to $20K then they may have 3x the number of folks willing to do it, and thus more profit overall. It all depends on how much it costs them and what volume they seek to make it worth their while.

Keep in mind also that the R&D for the V8 stroker kit should be minimal since it was already developed for the M5's V10 and they can use the same parts. I guess we will find out soon.

Very logical, but Dinan has no idea what logical pricing means.

[KonigsTiger]

Well, we have a lot of time to see. How much is there V10TT M3 conversion? Does anyone know?

[synclastica_86]

Just a quick question. Is the 600+hp V10 currently for the M5/6 an engine swap? If yes will you get to keep your old engine? What about the V10 for the M3? Is is going to be based on the engine in the M5/6?

[Sticky]

Originally Posted by synclastica_86

Just a quick question. Is the 600+hp V10 currently for the M5/6 an engine swap? If yes will you get to keep your old engine? What about the V10 for the M3? Is is going to be based on the engine in the M5/6?

They will want a core exchange no matter what and yes all their work is based no the factory M motors.

[KonigsTiger]

Originally Posted by Sticky

They will want a core exchange no matter what and yes all their work is based no the factory M motors.

Why ever would they want the core of the M3 V8 if you opt for a V10 TT. Don't think they would share ANY part. Does anyone on earth have any inking yet of how much that V10 TT may be and when it will be avaliable?

[attorneyscott]

Originally Posted by nd54

Forced induction on an 'M' car? I'd rather have the stroker kit.

I am salivating over the prospect of this Dinan V-10 M3. It will probably double the price of the car, I'm guessing about $150K? However, it should humiliate GT-R's, 997 Turbos, F430's, just about anything. One would think 0-60 would be available in the low 3 second range, with an 11 sec quarter mile. That's hauling ass.

If they can get 630 bhp out of the stroker, I wonder how much they could achieve by applying forced induction to that motor? 900? 1000? Can you say "225 mph M3"? Sweet Jesus!

[KonigsTiger]

Originally Posted by attorneyscott

I am salivating over the prospect of this Dinan V-10 M3. It will probably double the price of the car, I'm guessing about $150K? However, it should humiliate GT-R's, 997 Turbos, F430's, just about anything. One would think 0-60 would be available in the low 3 second range, with an 11 sec quarter mile. That's hauling ass.

If they can get 630 bhp out of the stroker, I wonder how much they could achieve by applying forced induction to that motor? 900? 1000? Can you say "225 mph M3"? Sweet Jesus!

I am also thinking that Dinan stroker V10 will cost somewhere along the lines of $80K (we know the stroker kit costs $40, plus V10 block, cams, complete exhaust, probably SMG tranny, suspension mods, etc…, etc…), so yes, the cost of your US stock M3 would double at least. And yes, would beat 911tt’s, F430’s and the like (although I think you can pretty much do that with the Dinan ~ $35,000 Stocker kit that should come out sometime this winter or with the RDRacying Stroker now available and good for 534bhp). Both Dinan’s and RDSports’ S65 stroker kit will reduce significant weight while adding power so that the final vehicle is lighter while retaining (if not improving) the car’s balance. Hence, my gripe with the V10 stroker is that it will probably add some weight, albeit at a considerable additional power gain, where you least want it and will slightly degrade the vehicles performance through bends and more than 2x the cost.

God only knows how much more they could get through FI. This stroker set up is stessed so that you would have to change the entire design of the engine internals at least before you go serious FI.