BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > E90/E92 M3 Technical Topics > Track / Autocross / Dragstrip / Driving Techniques
 
BPM
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      06-24-2014, 10:54 PM   #1
Killerfish2012
Colonel
128
Rep
2,292
Posts

Drives: E90 335I, E92 M3
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Midwest

iTrader: (9)

2015 BMW M4 flat out at Road America

Looks like a 2:51, or about a second of my best lap in my FBO 335I 6AT on race gas. IBTL

__________________
'07 335I w/ Mods
'13 X1 Stock
'11 X3 K&N
Appreciate 0
      06-24-2014, 11:03 PM   #2
m3ray
Banned
No_Country
94
Rep
701
Posts

Drives: '09 e92 M3
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: New York City

iTrader: (0)

This should go well, lol
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2014, 12:40 AM   #3
larryn
Lieutenant General
United_States
1992
Rep
10,169
Posts

Drives: '97 332ti, '18 F31, '16 GT4
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Seattle

iTrader: (2)

Far from "flat out". These are journalist test days.
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2014, 07:19 AM   #4
W///
Lieutenant General
W///'s Avatar
3985
Rep
10,705
Posts

Drives: 08 E92 M3 /07 Z4MR / 99 E36 M3
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: SC

iTrader: (13)

Doesn't look flat out to me at all.

So cool to see E92 race car fly by at 4:44 though.
__________________
Current: E92 M3 Sparkling Graphite/Bamboo Beige/6MT. E36 M3 Techno Violet/Dove/5MT. E85 Z4MR Alpine White/Imola Red/6MT
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2014, 07:22 AM   #5
Porschefile
Major
Porschefile's Avatar
39
Rep
1,250
Posts

Drives: E92 M3
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Tennessee

iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by larryn View Post
Far from "flat out". These are journalist test days.
Agreed. Journalists tend to go 8/10 or so, so they're invited back. I was always amazed that the magazine drivers said the cayman/boxster had perfect track handling when mine understeered and was less than planted at a good pace. They don't typically push the cars that hard.
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2014, 07:23 AM   #6
Repoman
Second Lieutenant
Repoman's Avatar
United_States
26
Rep
200
Posts

Drives: 2017 Audi R8 V10+
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Downtown Los Angeles

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by W/// View Post
Doesn't look flat out to me at all.

So cool to see E92 race car fly by at 4:44 though.
Hahaha... hell yeah man. Drove by like the dude in the M4 was out for a casual stroll.
__________________
SOLD: '13 E92 ZCP DCT; OEM GTS 359M , OEM GTS Front Spoiler, Perf. Rear Spoiler, OEM Perf. Exhaust, OEM Black Front and side grills, Metak diffuser.
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2014, 08:46 AM   #7
Richbot
Brigadier General
1225
Rep
4,228
Posts

Drives: Jerez Black E90
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: STL

iTrader: (3)

A 2:51 is about 3 seconds a lap faster than what a BSpec car runs at RA, or a showroom stock Mazda 3 on Hoosiers. That's decidedly not flat out. These cars are probably capable of a mid-low 2:3x once or twice even on the stock tires
__________________
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2014, 08:47 AM   #8
Richbot
Brigadier General
1225
Rep
4,228
Posts

Drives: Jerez Black E90
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: STL

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Porschefile
Quote:
Originally Posted by larryn View Post
Far from "flat out". These are journalist test days.
Agreed. Journalists tend to go 8/10 or so, so they're invited back. I was always amazed that the magazine drivers said the cayman/boxster had perfect track handling when mine understeered and was less than planted at a good pace. They don't typically push the cars that hard.
Agreed, all cars have neutral handling when you haven't exceeded the limit at either end yet, lol
__________________
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2014, 09:46 AM   #9
Sebringjetta
Brigadier General
Sebringjetta's Avatar
United_States
202
Rep
3,673
Posts

Drives: E46m3
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Sacramento

iTrader: (39)

Quote:
Originally Posted by W/// View Post
Doesn't look flat out to me at all.

So cool to see E92 race car fly by at 4:44 though.
yup when i saw that flyby.....
Attached Images
 
__________________
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2014, 10:14 AM   #10
Killerfish2012
Colonel
128
Rep
2,292
Posts

Drives: E90 335I, E92 M3
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Midwest

iTrader: (9)

Guys, the dude who made the video, captioned it: going flat out, and his claim of topping out at 145mph in the straights at road America confirms that he was going all out, if you don't believe his caption.
__________________
'07 335I w/ Mods
'13 X1 Stock
'11 X3 K&N

Last edited by Killerfish2012; 06-25-2014 at 10:32 AM.
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2014, 10:19 AM   #11
Killerfish2012
Colonel
128
Rep
2,292
Posts

Drives: E90 335I, E92 M3
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Midwest

iTrader: (9)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richbot View Post
2:3x once or twice even on the stock tires
Not even dude! Even stock C6 Z06s driven flat out would be lucky to break into 2:3X at road America. And those things hit ~160mph in the straights. My FBO 335I and this M3/M4 have the exact same out put, and peak speeds in the straightaways putting them right where they should be in terms of lap times.

Also did anyone notice that his last lap must have had an overheating issue, or some other limp mode condition?
__________________
'07 335I w/ Mods
'13 X1 Stock
'11 X3 K&N

Last edited by Killerfish2012; 06-25-2014 at 10:31 AM.
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2014, 10:44 AM   #12
FRFNUGN
Private First Class
13
Rep
110
Posts

Drives: E90 M3
Join Date: May 2013
Location: USA

iTrader: (1)

Definitely not flat out. ChumpCars (stock-ish E30/E36s, MR2s with swapped Camry V6s, 1985 Saab Turbo) run 2:55-2:59, 2:49-2:52, 3:09-3:12 respectively, WITH the BEND. The bend is thought to add about 10 seconds or so per lap, so there's no way that guy was pushing the M4 to the limit, or else he's a terrible driver...

Last edited by FRFNUGN; 06-25-2014 at 10:56 AM.
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2014, 12:00 PM   #13
Killerfish2012
Colonel
128
Rep
2,292
Posts

Drives: E90 335I, E92 M3
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Midwest

iTrader: (9)

Quote:
Originally Posted by FRFNUGN View Post
so there's no way that guy was pushing the M4 to the limit, or else he's a terrible driver...
and a liar. But what does he have to gain by lying?

He ran with the Bend.
__________________
'07 335I w/ Mods
'13 X1 Stock
'11 X3 K&N

Last edited by Killerfish2012; 06-25-2014 at 12:11 PM.
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2014, 12:45 PM   #14
Porschefile
Major
Porschefile's Avatar
39
Rep
1,250
Posts

Drives: E92 M3
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Tennessee

iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Killerfish2012 View Post
and a liar. But what does he have to gain by lying?

He ran with the Bend.
Page views. He may not have "lied" but exaggerated, but you can't seriously watch that and think it is the car's absolute limit, right? A m4 should not be close to B spec times. It is still interesting to watch, but the car is running maybe 8/10.
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2014, 01:08 PM   #15
W///
Lieutenant General
W///'s Avatar
3985
Rep
10,705
Posts

Drives: 08 E92 M3 /07 Z4MR / 99 E36 M3
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: SC

iTrader: (13)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Killerfish2012 View Post
and a liar. But what does he have to gain by lying?

He ran with the Bend.
I can say I ran flat out too. Doesn't mean I'm a quick driver
__________________
Current: E92 M3 Sparkling Graphite/Bamboo Beige/6MT. E36 M3 Techno Violet/Dove/5MT. E85 Z4MR Alpine White/Imola Red/6MT
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2014, 01:10 PM   #16
Sebringjetta
Brigadier General
Sebringjetta's Avatar
United_States
202
Rep
3,673
Posts

Drives: E46m3
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Sacramento

iTrader: (39)

out of curiosity who owns the RLL e92 m3 gt car that passes him. and why is it on the track if the car is retired
__________________
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2014, 01:30 PM   #17
Killerfish2012
Colonel
128
Rep
2,292
Posts

Drives: E90 335I, E92 M3
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Midwest

iTrader: (9)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Killerfish2012 View Post
and a liar. But what does he have to gain by lying?

He ran with the Bend.
I don't think his lap time is anything to be ashamed of. I'm actually more concerned about why he seems to suddenly slow down on his third lap. Overheating or other misc. limp mode issues that plagued the N54 335I, perhaps?
__________________
'07 335I w/ Mods
'13 X1 Stock
'11 X3 K&N
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2014, 01:45 PM   #18
pkimM3r
Banned
pkimM3r's Avatar
149
Rep
7,304
Posts

Drives: m3 saloon in granny mode.
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: lost angeles

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Porschefile View Post
Agreed. Journalists tend to go 8/10 or so, so they're invited back. I was always amazed that the magazine drivers said the cayman/boxster had perfect track handling when mine understeered and was less than planted at a good pace. They don't typically push the cars that hard.
dammit there goes my want of a cayman. but i guess understeer is inevitable at a brisk pace.
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2014, 02:07 PM   #19
W///
Lieutenant General
W///'s Avatar
3985
Rep
10,705
Posts

Drives: 08 E92 M3 /07 Z4MR / 99 E36 M3
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: SC

iTrader: (13)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3 View Post
dammit there goes my want of a cayman. but i guess understeer is inevitable at a brisk pace.
I'd still try it. I tried a base Boxster and had a blast. They are great cars, but 0 chance I'm paying that much for a new one. Not worth it to me.
__________________
Current: E92 M3 Sparkling Graphite/Bamboo Beige/6MT. E36 M3 Techno Violet/Dove/5MT. E85 Z4MR Alpine White/Imola Red/6MT
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2014, 02:18 PM   #20
Porschefile
Major
Porschefile's Avatar
39
Rep
1,250
Posts

Drives: E92 M3
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Tennessee

iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3 View Post
dammit there goes my want of a cayman. but i guess understeer is inevitable at a brisk pace.
I loved that car. Just not on track. It feels really good until you get past 8/10 or so and then it falls apart (understeer, not planted at high speed corners etc.) If you're buying it as a mainly track car and drive really hard, you'll probably be let down. Otherwise, they rock.

I posted a track comparison between E9X m3 and 987.1 cayman S awhile back if you want to search for it. Spoiler: m3 is much better. The cayman is handicapped on purpose so it can't beat the 911, and that's a fact.
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2014, 03:33 PM   #21
FRFNUGN
Private First Class
13
Rep
110
Posts

Drives: E90 M3
Join Date: May 2013
Location: USA

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Killerfish2012 View Post
and a liar. But what does he have to gain by lying?

He ran with the Bend.
That's not the bend. That's the kink. The faster route around. Which should allow for a much-quicker-than 2:51 lap time. And he was possibly slowing on the third lap because they gave him one hot lap (one out lap, one hot lap, then come back around to the pits), as you can see a checker flag waving at the start/finish line beginning his third lap. Doubt it's anything wrong with the car.

See here, I would hope the new F8x could reasonably match/beat these times:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=707

Last edited by FRFNUGN; 06-25-2014 at 03:39 PM.
Appreciate 0
      06-25-2014, 03:46 PM   #22
Killerfish2012
Colonel
128
Rep
2,292
Posts

Drives: E90 335I, E92 M3
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Midwest

iTrader: (9)

Quote:
Originally Posted by FRFNUGN View Post
Which should allow for a much-quicker-than 2:51 lap time.
He ran the FULL Road America course with virtually no traffic. 2:50 flat is where I was at with a 335I that has a bit more HP/TQ, with one less gear, and about maybe 100 more lbs. He's pretty good, and would be fine in the intermediate to advanced group, which represents what the average driver can get. Even a professional race car driver would not be able to knock out 11 seconds like folks are suggesting. Impossible. Maybe 1-3.
__________________
'07 335I w/ Mods
'13 X1 Stock
'11 X3 K&N
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:32 AM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST