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      11-06-2019, 11:20 AM   #1
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the Trump aka mob defence...

There was no quid pro quo authorized by Trump. He is not required to explain the rogue actions of his underlings. We've seen this before from Trump, attempting to whitewash MBS in the bone saw murder. The only weakness in such an argument is that while it could succeed in a court of law (with the right jury, such as the Republican senate) it fails to pass the common sense test. We know that Khashoggi couldn't have been greeted by a bone saw toting senior delegation without MBS's explicit approval, just as we know that the diplomatic insiders involved with Ukraine didn't invent the quid pro quo in the absence of any other explanation for Trump holding up aid. But heck, the mob has used this defence for decades. So what if the bosses enemies ended up dead and his trusted soldiers killed them. You can't prove he ordered it.
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What he is saying is that there are ways to protect Trump through strategies like plausible deniability while still carrying out actions that would normally implicate someone with said activity not only with authority, but under orders through channels designed to protect those who would benefit from those orders. Organized crime has been doing this for hundreds of years and politicians have been doing it just as long if not longer.

Case in point, Trump made it clear in the Sept 9th (iirc) call that there was no quid pro quo despite William Taylor's explicit text saying that aid was being withheld in exchange for a political favor. This was a fed line meant to address the whistleblower complaint filed the previous month. The "mob defense" in this case is like killing a rival, then knowing the phone was tapped saying to a mob enforcer to NOT kill him. It doesn't change the fact that he already ordered the hit previously and is only saying not to kill him because he was creating a manufactured narrative.
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What he is saying is that there are ways to protect Trump through strategies like plausible deniability while still carrying out actions that would normally implicate someone with said activity not only with authority, but under orders through channels designed to protect those who would benefit from those orders. Organized crime has been doing this for hundreds of years and politicians have been doing it just as long if not longer.

Case in point, Trump made it clear in the Sept 9th (iirc) call that there was no quid pro quo despite William Taylor's explicit text saying that aid was being withheld in exchange for a political favor. This was a fed line meant to address the whistleblower complaint filed the previous month. The "mob defense" in this case is like killing a rival, then knowing the phone was tapped saying to a mob enforcer to NOT kill him. It doesn't change the fact that he already ordered the hit previously and is only saying not to kill him because he was creating a manufactured narrative.
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