Supercharger Tune - Options?

[svinfinity]

I recently purchased a used ESS VT2 kit and looking at various tuning options. I received prices ranging from 1k to 2800... I’ve looked at the following options so far: Gintani - my current NA tune and they wanted 2800 more for the upgrade...
Rk tunes, bpm, ttfs. I’m avoiding ess for now as their support seems lacking for used kits.

[DameJ.M3]

I was going to go with rktunes once I found a 625/650 kit. Currently running Gintani tune.

[Patrón]

I think there are many happy customers exactly like you that have purchased a used kit and have contact Benvo at BPM. great tune and great service. he is very active in this section of the forum

[kevin @ eas]

IMO why not stick to the original maker of the kits tune? ESS know the kit better than anyone else. We carry ESS flash cables and can source the S/C tunes. Feel free to PM me for details.

[azndrunk74]

I never had an issue getting my tune from ESS. I've had multiple tunes with multiple changes/options (ESS625/ESS650) from them. Definitely recommend their tune.

[Honda]

I would strongly suggest going with any tuner except ESS. Their 2nd hand customer support is very bad!

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by kevin @ eas

IMO why not stick to the original maker of the kits tune? ESS know the kit better than anyone else. We carry ESS flash cables and can source the S/C tunes. Feel free to PM me for details.

It's always entertaining for people to use kits from company X and to get a tune from anyone other than them...

[Iyzmi]

Originally Posted by kevin @ eas

IMO why not stick to the original maker of the kits tune? ESS know the kit better than anyone else. We carry ESS flash cables and can source the S/C tunes. Feel free to PM me for details.

That would be far too sensible. People are too lazy or incapable of doing their own research so they go off circle jerk advice from people who are also incapable of proper research, or suffer from memory loss. It's almost as if this exact thread is posted multiple times a month with the same outcome.

At some point SYT_Shadow will come in to share some of his prescription-strength crazy pills with anyone willing to swallow, but most will ignore and the circle jerk will continue.

EDIT: Damnit, he beat me by 2min.

[Iyzmi]

Originally Posted by Honda

I would strongly suggest going with any tuner except ESS. Their 2nd hand customer support is very bad!

I would strongly suggest my neighbor's uncle's friend Curly Roy. He used to be a comic book salesman but I saw him replace a muffler once so I'm sure he can tune your $15k aftermarket boosted engine. He's so friendly and has a shiny website, you'll love him!

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by Iyzmi

That would be far too sensible. People are too lazy or incapable of doing their own research so they go off circle jerk advice from people who are also incapable of proper research, or suffer from memory loss. It's almost as if this exact thread is posted multiple times a month with the same outcome.

At some point SYT_Shadow will come in to share some of his prescription-strength crazy pills with anyone willing to swallow, but most will ignore and the circle jerk will continue.

EDIT: Damnit, he beat me by 2min.

I tried to resist commenting on the thread

I'm going to start a company that sells nuclear sludge in 16oz cans for human consumption. I plan on providing GREAT support, answering emails in 15 minutes and calls 24/7. Based on the sampling from the forum, this should suffice to have plenty of fanboys

[Iyzmi]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I tried to resist commenting on the thread

Same here brother, same here...

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I'm going to start a company that sells nuclear sludge in 16oz cans for human consumption. I plan on providing GREAT support, answering emails in 15 minutes and calls 24/7. Based on the sampling from the forum, this should suffice to have plenty of fanboys

I'll be your first customer!

[svinfinity]

Originally Posted by Iyzmi

That would be far too sensible. People are too lazy or incapable of doing their own research so they go off circle jerk advice from people who are also incapable of proper research, or suffer from memory loss. It's almost as if this exact thread is posted multiple times a month with the same outcome.

At some point SYT_Shadow will come in to share some of his prescription-strength crazy pills with anyone willing to swallow, but most will ignore and the circle jerk will continue.

EDIT: Damnit, he beat me by 2min.

Lazy or incapable? Let’s not resort to attacking or name calling. I’ve done my research which led me to seek potential options based on what i’ve read of ESS. Please jog my memory on these threads. I’m sorry we’re not all a perfect wealth of knowledge like you and its a shame individuals are insulted for seeking the best possible outcome for their car.

[Honda]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

It's always entertaining for people to use kits from company X and to get a tune from anyone other than them...

why is it entertaining? Do you really think ESS is building the SC from scratch. They are using same Vortech SC that most of another vendors use. Nothing Special with these kits.

I am actually surprised that a member like you with experience is asking this.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by Honda

why is it entertaining? Do you really think ESS is building the SC from scratch. They are using same Vortech SC that most of another vendors use. Nothing Special with these kits.

I am actually surprised that a member like you with experience is asking this.

I agree the ESS kit is not built 'from scratch'. None of the kits currently on the market is.

However, after selling ~2k kits, they may have an idea or two about how to tune for it. Is it safe to make that assumption?

I've expressed my thoughts previously, but I'll do it again: I think people are seriously misinformed to use a tune different than the kit manufacturer.

If I bought a Gintani kit I'd use their tune
If I bought a Harrop kit I'd use their tune
If I bought a AA kit I'd use their tune
If I bought a VF kit I'd use their tune
If I bought a Evolve kit I'd use their tune

etc etc

As it stands, the only supercharger I'd use is ESS and of course I'd use the ESS tune.

[eatsleepboost]

I bought my 625 kit new so it came with the ESS tune but the car drives flawlessly. Exactly as stock until the upper rpm when the power comes on.

Then again many tuners such as BPM have tuned plenty of them so u cannot go wrong.

Tell gintani to screw off. That's an insane price to just send u a cable and a tune on a flash drive or email. Don't pay more than 1k for a tune. Even that price is steep.

[Iyzmi]

Originally Posted by svinfinity

Lazy or incapable? Let’s not resort to attacking or name calling. I’ve done my research which led me to seek potential options based on what i’ve read of ESS. Please jog my memory on these threads. I’m sorry we’re not all a perfect wealth of knowledge like you and its a shame individuals are insulted for seeking the best possible outcome for their car.

Rest assured I’m not attacking or name calling you specifically, so sorry your feelings got hurt. Cleary your research has been inadequate as this exact topic has been covered in great detail with all the known forum members pitching in their 2c many times. If you care enough, you will find what you are looking for. If not, you will happily purchase whatever tune gets mentioned most in this thread. Your car will run fine regardless and you won’t know any better. I’ve participated in too many of these threads and don’t care to spoon feed links anymore, especially as some of them are to sites this forum conveniently censors, yet are #1 results on google. It’s a shame not everybody can spend an hour of their time effectively looking through readily available info on a platform that’s been around for a decade before deciding who should provide software for their $15k engine + $6k supercharger.

I will happily see myself out as I don’t care to go deep on this topic yet again, nor to offend you any further. Best of luck to you OP.

[KCE92]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I agree the ESS kit is not built 'from scratch'. None of the kits currently on the market is.

However, after selling ~2k kits, they may have an idea or two about how to tune for it. Is it safe to make that assumption?

I've expressed my thoughts previously, but I'll do it again: I think people are seriously misinformed to use a tune different than the kit manufacturer.

If I bought a Gintani kit I'd use their tune
If I bought a Harrop kit I'd use their tune
If I bought a AA kit I'd use their tune
If I bought a VF kit I'd use their tune
If I bought a Evolve kit I'd use their tune

etc etc

As it stands, the only supercharger I'd use is ESS and of course I'd use the ESS tune.

G-Power kits are made from scratch

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by KCE92

G-Power kits are made from scratch

I thought only Cracker Barrel's stuff was made from scratch. Now I'm hungry for some G-Power

[svinfinity]

Originally Posted by Iyzmi

Rest assured I’m not attacking or name calling you specifically, so sorry your feelings got hurt. Cleary your research has been inadequate as this exact topic has been covered in great detail with all the known forum members pitching in their 2c many times. If you care enough, you will find what you are looking for. If not, you will happily purchase whatever tune gets mentioned most in this thread. Your car will run fine regardless and you won’t know any better. I’ve participated in too many of these threads and don’t care to spoon feed links anymore, especially as some of them are to sites this forum conveniently censors, yet are #1 results on google. It’s a shame not everybody can spend an hour of their time effectively looking through readily available info on a platform that’s been around for a decade before deciding who should provide software for their $15k engine + $6k supercharger.

I will happily see myself out as I don’t care to go deep on this topic yet again, nor to offend you any further. Best of luck to you OP.

It seems you were triggered enough by my post to call people lazy and incapable. If you had nothing to contribute then why bother? If you feel you’ve participated in too many threads, then don’t. You’re too high on your pedestal to contribute now? I’m ashamed for you as this community has been nothing but a wealth of knowledge over the years and yet you’re on here to shit on others. You’re making assumptions on others you never met before over a post. It’d be interesting to see if you have this attitude in person.

‘“Cleary” my research is inadequate’
‘My car won’t run any better’

No need to contribute as you clack away at your keyboard for the most witty rebuttal you can come up with.

[Mvy]

OP, dont get all riled up about the replies. Its all in good fun. The basic answer is, the best tune for the kit you buy is the tune made for the kit you buy. Custom tunes have risks or costs that dont make them worthwhile. Why use a tune that was not intended specifically for what you bought? Why risk a custom tune to get a nominal gain but a blown motor? I have always been conservative in this decision, and others are encouraging the same for you.

[SVH]

Originally Posted by Mvy

OP, dont get all riled up about the replies. Its all in good fun. The basic answer is, the best tune for the kit you buy is the tune made for the kit you buy. Custom tunes have risks or costs that dont make them worthwhile. Why use a tune that was not intended specifically for what you bought? Why risk a custom tune to get a nominal gain but a blown motor? I have always been conservative in this decision, and others are encouraging the same for you.

You know, I agree with ya. But I just noticed your car has a Harrop. And a BPM tune. I know their kind of one and the same but....looks funny given the content of the post

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by SVH

You know, I agree with ya. But I just noticed your car has a Harrop. And a BPM tune. I know their kind of one and the same but....looks funny given the content of the post

The Harrop kit is marketed by BPM, there is no other way to get it. So Mvy is putting his money where his mouth is