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      06-02-2018, 03:27 PM   #67
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I linked to this thread off the F30post General F30, F32, F36 Forum so the truth is I was not aware this was the Politics and Religion sub Forum. I didn't know there was a politics and Religion sub Forum until I saw your reply.

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I am no expert either... I only ponder how many more American automobiles would be sold in Europe if they were given an even playing field and had their sticker prices cut 10%. We probably all agree more would be sold; the question is how many more.
What defines an automobile as being American?
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Are you saying there's no place for a USS Escalade in the European markets?
HaHA, I wonder if there are any over there? Even the Gardi drive the little cars.
Can you imagine driving an Escalade through some of those ancient European towns where the roads were paved with dirt and horse manure?
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HaHA, I wonder if there are any over there? Even the Gardi drive the little cars.
Can you imagine driving an Escalade through some of those ancient European towns where the roads were paved with dirt and horse manure?
LOL!!

I can imagine sliding off an unimproved road among the olive groves in Spain to a horrific flame-filled death!!

I can imaging getting stuck between buildings in narrowing alleyways and destroying architecture that's stood though multiple wars and a thousand years!!!

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Problem is that german engineering prowess is largely a fictional concept.

Seriously when was the last time BMW built a problem free V8 or S5x engine?
No car manufacturer is immune to problems, defects, recalls, etc.

Overall, BMW ranks comfortability above domestic "competitors" Cadillac and Lincoln in both vehicle dependability and in initial quality.

Isolating individual models/engines is not the same as looking at the manufacturer as a whole.
You're making an apples to oranges argument.
I can say your 435i is less prone to catching on fire than a 991 GT3 and it wouldn't mean a damn thing. The GT3 is still the superior vehicle and Porsche overall still makes higher quality cars than BMW.
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Problem is that german engineering prowess is largely a fictional concept.

Seriously when was the last time BMW built a problem free V8 or S5x engine?
No car manufacturer is immune to problems, defects, recalls, etc.

Overall, BMW ranks comfortability above domestic "competitors" Cadillac and Lincoln in both vehicle dependability and in initial quality.

Isolating individual models/engines is not the same as looking at the manufacturer as a whole.
You're making an apples to oranges argument.
I can say your 435i is less prone to catching on fire than a 991 GT3 and it wouldn't mean a damn thing. The GT3 is still the superior vehicle and Porsche overall still makes higher quality cars than BMW.
IMO the IQS is a poor indicator of reliability. For example I can't think of an american V8 which had timing chain* problems that required removal of the engine.

In the US BMW ranks as the most expensive car to own with regards to long term ownership.


*The timing chain thing pisses me off because BMW has a similar issue with the N20 and a huge problem in the US with the I6 in the 1990's. Seriously, WTF BMW.

IMO BMW is mediocre when it comes to basic engine design. It's inexcusiable for any engine to have problems related to bearings, lubrication , crank hubs, timing chains.

My N55 equipped 4 series is the last. I'll never own a BMW V8, M car, or car with B-series engine.

On a final note a BMW technician recently told me that if BMW did build a reliable V8 he'd miss out on a lot of work.
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Problem is that german engineering prowess is largely a fictional concept.

Seriously when was the last time BMW built a problem free V8 or S5x engine?
No car manufacturer is immune to problems, defects, recalls, etc.

Overall, BMW ranks comfortability above domestic "competitors" Cadillac and Lincoln in both vehicle dependability and in initial quality.

Isolating individual models/engines is not the same as looking at the manufacturer as a whole.
You're making an apples to oranges argument.
I can say your 435i is less prone to catching on fire than a 991 GT3 and it wouldn't mean a damn thing. The GT3 is still the superior vehicle and Porsche overall still makes higher quality cars than BMW.
IMO the IQS is a poor indicator of reliability. For example I can't think of an american V8 which had timing chain* problems that required removal of the engine.

In the US BMW ranks as the most expensive car to own with regards to long term ownership.


*The timing chain thing pisses me off because BMW has a similar issue with the N20 and a huge problem in the US with the I6 in the 1990's. Seriously, WTF BMW.

IMO BMW is mediocre when it comes to basic engine design. It's inexcusiable for any engine to have problems related to bearings, lubrication , crank hubs, timing chains.

My N55 equipped 4 series is the last. I'll never own a BMW V8, M car, or car with B-series engine.

On a final note a BMW technician recently told me that if BMW did build a reliable V8 he'd miss out on a lot of work.
Just Lease Brother. I wouldn't "own" any of these cars.
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Problem is that german engineering prowess is largely a fictional concept.

Seriously when was the last time BMW built a problem free V8 or S5x engine?
No car manufacturer is immune to problems, defects, recalls, etc.

Overall, BMW ranks comfortability above domestic "competitors" Cadillac and Lincoln in both vehicle dependability and in initial quality.

Isolating individual models/engines is not the same as looking at the manufacturer as a whole.
You're making an apples to oranges argument.
I can say your 435i is less prone to catching on fire than a 991 GT3 and it wouldn't mean a damn thing. The GT3 is still the superior vehicle and Porsche overall still makes higher quality cars than BMW.
IMO the IQS is a poor indicator of reliability. For example I can't think of an american V8 which had timing chain* problems that required removal of the engine.

In the US BMW ranks as the most expensive car to own with regards to long term ownership.


*The timing chain thing pisses me off because BMW has a similar issue with the N20 and a huge problem in the US with the I6 in the 1990's. Seriously, WTF BMW.

IMO BMW is mediocre when it comes to basic engine design. It's inexcusiable for any engine to have problems related to bearings, lubrication , crank hubs, timing chains.

My N55 equipped 4 series is the last. I'll never own a BMW V8, M car, or car with B-series engine.

On a final note a BMW technician recently told me that if BMW did build a reliable V8 he'd miss out on a lot of work.
Just Lease Brother. I wouldn't "own" any of these cars.
I wish I could.
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Problem is that german engineering prowess is largely a fictional concept.

Seriously when was the last time BMW built a problem free V8 or S5x engine?
No car manufacturer is immune to problems, defects, recalls, etc.

Overall, BMW ranks comfortability above domestic "competitors" Cadillac and Lincoln in both vehicle dependability and in initial quality.

Isolating individual models/engines is not the same as looking at the manufacturer as a whole.
You're making an apples to oranges argument.
I can say your 435i is less prone to catching on fire than a 991 GT3 and it wouldn't mean a damn thing. The GT3 is still the superior vehicle and Porsche overall still makes higher quality cars than BMW.
IMO the IQS is a poor indicator of reliability. For example I can't think of an american V8 which had timing chain* problems that required removal of the engine.

In the US BMW ranks as the most expensive car to own with regards to long term ownership.


*The timing chain thing pisses me off because BMW has a similar issue with the N20 and a huge problem in the US with the I6 in the 1990's. Seriously, WTF BMW.

IMO BMW is mediocre when it comes to basic engine design. It's inexcusiable for any engine to have problems related to bearings, lubrication , crank hubs, timing chains.

My N55 equipped 4 series is the last. I'll never own a BMW V8, M car, or car with B-series engine.

On a final note a BMW technician recently told me that if BMW did build a reliable V8 he'd miss out on a lot of work.
It's not just initial quality, it's both dependability AND initial quality.

The problem with the "long term costs" argument is that many people buy used BMWs and expect it to have the same maintenance costs as a Toyota Camry just because it cost them $20k in the used market, which is a huge flaw in logic.

When you buy a car that was $60-70k MSRP, the parts aren't getting any cheaper.
You're still maintaining a $60-70k car that's now higher mileage, out of warranty, and probably had it's oil changed twice by the first owner (poorly maintained).
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IMO the IQS is a poor indicator of reliability. For example I can't think of an american V8 which had timing chain* problems that required removal of the engine.

In the US BMW ranks as the most expensive car to own with regards to long term ownership.


*The timing chain thing pisses me off because BMW has a similar issue with the N20 and a huge problem in the US with the I6 in the 1990's. Seriously, WTF BMW.

IMO BMW is mediocre when it comes to basic engine design. It's inexcusiable for any engine to have problems related to bearings, lubrication , crank hubs, timing chains.

My N55 equipped 4 series is the last. I'll never own a BMW V8, M car, or car with B-series engine.

On a final note a BMW technician recently told me that if BMW did build a reliable V8 he'd miss out on a lot of work.

This is another reason I switched to the ZL1, none of the German overly complicated engineering solutions (necessitated by the relatively low displacement and high euro "environmental" restrictions)

I'll also likely never own a BMW again as their engines get smaller and ever more complicated, the electric turbos etc are just more parts to fail out of warranty
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This is another reason I switched to the ZL1, none of the German overly complicated engineering solutions (necessitated by the relatively low displacement and high euro "environmental" restrictions)

I'll also likely never own a BMW again as their engines get smaller and ever more complicated, the electric turbos etc are just more parts to fail out of warranty

The German car manufacturers are so greedy. Porsche will charge you over 3 grand to get your 911 in Orange, you get tbe same color for free on a Mustang or Camaro.

They also rip you off on options, same options that are standard on American and Japanese cars.
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He wants more American cars to be sold in Europe as a concession. But if nobody wants them how is that supposed to happen? Give them away for free?
For a while the Mustang GT was the best selling sports car in Germany.

We should at least match rhe same tariffs they have on our cars, only fair.
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I tried today, I was told to do so but that research session resulted in to burned boobs (drinking coffee can be surprisingly hard) and all I learned was that none of the shit written about ceta was meant to be read by a normal human.
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So trump is threatening to ban BMW and Mercedes. Time for recall election!

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The German car manufacturers are so fuckin greedy, Porsche will charge you over 3 grand to get your 911 in Orange, you get tbe same color for free on a Mustang or Camaro.

They also rip you off on options, same options that are standard on American and Japanese cars.
They do it because people will pay it. It is called market forces.
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I am no expert either... I only ponder how many more American automobiles would be sold in Europe if they were given an even playing field and had their sticker prices cut 10%. We probably all agree more would be sold; the question is how many more.
What defines an automobile as being American?
I believe tariffs are applied as-per the location they ship from. So Europe applies a 10% tariff to X5s when they're imported; and the US applies a 2.5% tariff on M3s when we import them. Not sure why the disparity, but the EU applies much higher tariffs on foreign automobiles than the US (for now).
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So trump is threatening to ban BMW and Mercedes. Time for recall election!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ort/658745002/
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Should I burst bimmer456's bubble and bring up the fact that the Constitution doesn't allow recall elections for Presidents?
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I am no expert either... I only ponder how many more American automobiles would be sold in Europe if they were given an even playing field and had their sticker prices cut 10%. We probably all agree more would be sold; the question is how many more.
What defines an automobile as being American?
I believe tariffs are applied as-per the location they ship from. So Europe applies a 10% tariff to X5s when they're imported; and the US applies a 2.5% tariff on M3s when we import them. Not sure why the disparity, but the EU applies much higher tariffs on foreign automobiles than the US (for now).
X5 are made in the US
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I am no expert either... I only ponder how many more American automobiles would be sold in Europe if they were given an even playing field and had their sticker prices cut 10%. We probably all agree more would be sold; the question is how many more.
What defines an automobile as being American?
I believe tariffs are applied as-per the location they ship from. So Europe applies a 10% tariff to X5s when they're imported; and the US applies a 2.5% tariff on M3s when we import them. Not sure why the disparity, but the EU applies much higher tariffs on foreign automobiles than the US (for now).
X5 are made in the US
Exactly. Europe applies a 10% tariff on X5s because they're shipped from the US. The US applies only a 2.5% tariff on M3s because they're shipped from Europe.
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Stock market is up two days in a row my portfolio at an all time high so left wing media doom and gloom appears unfounded we shall see what the EU and China are willing to concede. Maybe iPhones will be made here just like Samsung devices are still made in South Korea. Check out Apple stock and Nasdaq over past week when tariffs announced.
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Stock market is up two days in a row my portfolio at an all time high so left wing media doom and gloom appears unfounded we shall see what the EU and China are willing to concede. Maybe iPhones will be made here just like Samsung devices are still made in South Korea. Check out Apple stock and Nasdaq over past week when tariffs announced.
Two days of coasting on positive U.S. jobs numbers. But the steel and aluminum tariffs threaten hundreds of thousands of U.S. jobs. And exactly how should China feel threatened when Trump starts a trade war with the U.S.'s staunchest allies?
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