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      06-22-2018, 08:42 AM   #529
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A great piece on the Horowitz report and the language sanitization by Mr. Comey.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...621-story.html
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A great piece on the Horowitz report and the language sanitization by Mr. Comey.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...621-story.html
Interesting Op-Ed. Couple of points:

1. Comey obviously was wrong in changing the language of the report(s) regarding Hillary's email.

2. I think it is far more likely that he did that as an attempted "make up call" for departing from FBI procedures and publicly announcing she was under investigation, twice, than because he was attempting to ingratiate himself with her for her assumed 8 years in office on the horizon. If that was the intent, why announce she was under investigation at all? He could have easily hid behind the "it's FBI policy not to comment on active investigations". You know, just like they did with the Trump campaign investigation. The fact that the FBI chose to announce the investigation into Hillary, twice - one being just days before the election, and chose not to announce the investigation into the Trump campaign cannot reasonably be squared with the assertion that the FBI was "in the bag" for Hillary.

3. The fact that Obama sent Hillary emails to her private email address is not proof that he "knew about her private server" as in he knew she had it at her house. I can set up all manner of custom SMTP domains without having physical control of, or access to, the mail servers.
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A great piece on the Horowitz report and the language sanitization by Mr. Comey.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...621-story.html
Interesting Op-Ed. Couple of points:

1. Comey obviously was wrong in changing the language of the report(s) regarding Hillary's email.

2. I think it is far more likely that he did that as an attempted "make up call" for departing from FBI procedures and publicly announcing she was under investigation, twice, than because he was attempting to ingratiate himself with her for her assumed 8 years in office on the horizon. If that was the intent, why announce she was under investigation at all? He could have easily hid behind the "it's FBI policy not to comment on active investigations". You know, just like they did with the Trump campaign investigation. The fact that the FBI chose to announce the investigation into Hillary, twice - one being just days before the election, and chose not to announce the investigation into the Trump campaign cannot reasonably be squared with the assertion that the FBI was "in the bag" for Hillary.

3. The fact that Obama sent Hillary emails to her private email address is not proof that he "knew about her private server" as in he knew she had it at her house. I can set up all manner of custom SMTP domains without having physical control of, or access to, the mail servers.
Regarding point 2:

President Trump's investigation was a counter intelligence investigation, so it would be a federal crime to expose it. Clinton's investigation was a criminal investigation that has no such legal restriction. This is key distinction that totally refutes this popular talking point.
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Regarding point 2:

President Trump's investigation was a counter intelligence investigation, so it would be a federal crime to expose it. Clinton's investigation was a criminal investigation that has no such legal restriction. This is key distinction that totally refutes this popular talking point.
That's fair, I honestly hadn't considered that.

It doesn't address the fact that the FBI was so "in Hillary's pocket" that they announced, publicly, that she was under investigation. Twice. Even though it went against FBI standards.

How do you square that?

That, to me, sounds like Comey being VERY worried about how people would perceive him, and not terribly concerned about doing his job well/correctly. In fact, the IG report supports that very position.
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What motivated the FBI to pre-determine Hillary's lack of intent before ever speaking to her?
I have no idea and neither do you. You'd need to ask James Comey. However, for someone so "in the tank" for Hillary, he sure submarined her campaign by announcing, twice, that she was under investigation. Which itself was a "departure from standard procedures", you know, one of the things that the OIG dinged Comey for in their report.

You want me to seriously believe you have more insight into this matter than the OIG? You've got a lot of work ahead of you.

Also, the OIG is not "the FBI investigating the FBI".

https://oig.justice.gov/
Odd that Comey came to the same conclusion investigating Hillary, that he came to when he investigated her for Whitewater a couple decades ago: She is guilty as sin, but we won't pursue it.
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Regarding point 2:

President Trump's investigation was a counter intelligence investigation, so it would be a federal crime to expose it. Clinton's investigation was a criminal investigation that has no such legal restriction. This is key distinction that totally refutes this popular talking point.
That's fair, I honestly hadn't considered that.

It doesn't address the fact that the FBI was so "in Hillary's pocket" that they announced, publicly, that she was under investigation. Twice. Even though it went against FBI standards.

How do you square that?

That, to me, sounds like Comey being VERY worried about how people would perceive him, and not terribly concerned about doing his job well/correctly. In fact, the IG report supports that very position.
First, thank you for being fair. Too many people have a hard time with this. I promise to do the same.

Next, I completely agree with your last paragraph.

I square this with the personal belief that FBI headquarters' plan to delay the investigation of classified emails on Weiner's laptop backfired. They wanted to delay this until after the election (then bury it), but the Southern District of NY was asking why FBI HQ wasn't proceeding with their warrant to look at the classified info on the laptop. FBI HQ panicked thinking their coverup would be exposed and thus started making public statements. That is the wonderful part... Their corrupt attempt to help Clinton backfired and ended up hurting her chance to become President.
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Regarding point 2:

President Trump's investigation was a counter intelligence investigation, so it would be a federal crime to expose it. Clinton's investigation was a criminal investigation that has no such legal restriction. This is key distinction that totally refutes this popular talking point.
That's fair, I honestly hadn't considered that.

It doesn't address the fact that the FBI was so "in Hillary's pocket" that they announced, publicly, that she was under investigation. Twice. Even though it went against FBI standards.

How do you square that?

That, to me, sounds like Comey being VERY worried about how people would perceive him, and not terribly concerned about doing his job well/correctly. In fact, the IG report supports that very position.
First, thank you for being fair. Too many people have a hard time with this. I promise to do the same.

Next, I completely agree with your last paragraph.

I square this with the personal belief that FBI headquarters' plan to delay the investigation of classified emails on Weiner's laptop backfired. They wanted to delay this until after the election (then bury it), but the Southern District of NY was asking why FBI HQ wasn't proceeding with their warrant to look at the classified info on the laptop. FBI HQ panicked thinking their coverup would be exposed and thus started making public statements. That is the wonderful part... Their corrupt attempt to help Clinton backfired and ended up hurting her chance to become President.
I wonder how much of this is all academic, at this point.

Do you really think anyone's vote was swayed by learning that she was being investigated? She had "more sooty baggage than a 90-car coal train" before the election even started; was anyone's vote for/against her undecided in mid-2016?
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Regarding point 2:

President Trump's investigation was a counter intelligence investigation, so it would be a federal crime to expose it. Clinton's investigation was a criminal investigation that has no such legal restriction. This is key distinction that totally refutes this popular talking point.
That's fair, I honestly hadn't considered that.

It doesn't address the fact that the FBI was so "in Hillary's pocket" that they announced, publicly, that she was under investigation. Twice. Even though it went against FBI standards.

How do you square that?

That, to me, sounds like Comey being VERY worried about how people would perceive him, and not terribly concerned about doing his job well/correctly. In fact, the IG report supports that very position.
First, thank you for being fair. Too many people have a hard time with this. I promise to do the same.

Next, I completely agree with your last paragraph.

I square this with the personal belief that FBI headquarters' plan to delay the investigation of classified emails on Weiner's laptop backfired. They wanted to delay this until after the election (then bury it), but the Southern District of NY was asking why FBI HQ wasn't proceeding with their warrant to look at the classified info on the laptop. FBI HQ panicked thinking their coverup would be exposed and thus started making public statements. That is the wonderful part... Their corrupt attempt to help Clinton backfired and ended up hurting her chance to become President.
I wonder how much of this is all academic, at this point.

Do you really think anyone's vote was swayed by learning that she was being investigated? She had "more sooty baggage than a 90-car coal train" before the election even started; was anyone's vote for/against her undecided in mid-2016?
I believe it probably kept potential undecided voters from voting for her on election day.
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Lisa, what does / did she do in the FBI?
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Lisa, what does / did she do in the FBI?
Like Mr. Strzok, she was part of Mr. Mueller's investigatory team.
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Like Mr. Strzok, she was part of Mr. Mueller's investigatory team.
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Lisa, what does / did she do in the FBI?
From Wikipedia, Peter Strzok's page (She, interestingly, does not have her own Wiki page):
Lisa Page, a trial attorney on Mueller's team

Also

Is it a coincedence that these 2 "sources" run such similar headlines for the Trump propaganda arm?

Trump says FBI's Strzok, Page getting 'cold feet' ahead of Capitol Hill ...
http://www.foxnews.com/.../trump-say...capitol-hill-s...
2 hours ago - President Trump claimed Tuesday that “FBI lovers” Peter Strzok and Lisa Page are getting “cold feet” ahead of planned Capitol Hill appearances this week, amid conflicting reports over whether they will show up. Both officials, who previously worked on the Russia probe ...
Trump: Lisa Page and Peter Strzok 'are getting cold feet' - Washington ...
https://www.washingtontimes.com/.../...re-getting-col...
3 hours ago - President Trump criticized former FBI employees Lisa Page and Peter Strzok on Tuesday over their hearings with the House Judiciary


Here's a good current article:
Former FBI lawyer Lisa Page subpoenaed for House interview on ...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/09/polit....../index.html
22 hours ago - Lisa Page, the former FBI lawyer who exchanged anti-Trump text messages with FBI agent Peter Strzok, has been subpoenaed for a ...
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...Page, who was an attorney with the FBI's Office of the General Counsel, returned to the FBI in mid-July, special counsel spokesman Peter Carr confirmed to CBS News' Andres Triay.
The news of Page's departure was first reported by ABC News.
Page was one of nearly two dozen high-profile attorneys and investigators who Mueller assembled
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/special...parts-for-fbi/
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Yes. Nothing to see here folks...move right along.
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...Page, who was an attorney with the FBI's Office of the General Counsel, returned to the FBI in mid-July, special counsel spokesman Peter Carr confirmed to CBS News' Andres Triay.
The news of Page's departure was first reported by ABC News.
Page was one of nearly two dozen high-profile attorneys and investigators who Mueller assembled
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/special...parts-for-fbi/
Her speciality? What is it?
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No clue - I haven't read anything on her that detailed. She was an FBI attorney and she was attached to the Mueller investigative team for about 2 months. That's all I've got.
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Her speciality? What is it?
Trial specialist.
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Trial specialist.
No.

Trump ain't worried about the lover boy. He is worried about Lisa.
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...Page, who was an attorney with the FBI's Office of the General Counsel, returned to the FBI in mid-July, special counsel spokesman Peter Carr confirmed to CBS News' Andres Triay.
The news of Page's departure was first reported by ABC News.
Page was one of nearly two dozen high-profile attorneys and investigators who Mueller assembled
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/special...parts-for-fbi/
Her speciality? What is it?
Special Counsel - FBI NY Field Office Eurasian Organized Crime and Money Laundering Task Force?
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Fine. I'll buy you a pint for getting it right.

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Fine. I'll buy you a pint for getting it right.

My man maddow is working on it.
Still doesn't condone the breach of Investigation Compartmentalization procedure, but then again that should have stopped the moment it became clear that there was significant overlap between all the cases and was growing each day.
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