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I agree that on pure entertainment rwd if developed correctly will always be better but from a practical point of view where speed in all conditions is important then awd always wins hands down. Anyone who thinks that it's as easy to hustle a rwd car as it is an awd is plain barking, one is drama free where as the other can be white knuckle and sweaty palms at times. Another thing, as the conditions worsen it's the awd car that to more entertaining and the rwd which can in untrained hands scary the shit clean out of you. |
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Check AutoZeitung's comparison for R8, M3 and Corvette C6. You will see slalom speeds, skidpad, laptimes etc. on it as well.
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09-28-2009, 12:10 PM | #114 | |
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Also, the US magazine "Car and Driver" has a heads up comparo with the S4 and the 335xi in their November issue. S4 is barely faster (1mph in the 1/4 mile) but the editors raved about its chassis and, overall, chose it over the BMW. Article is not online yet.
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09-28-2009, 02:02 PM | #115 | |
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I'm not surprised it's only 1mph fast or post near enough identical times doing so, roll-out masks the traction advantage of the S4. Interesting that the American testers are finding an awd chassis to be better than a rwd one, to them awd is mean for trucks and SUVs not sports saloons. |
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09-28-2009, 02:11 PM | #116 |
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No I'm talking a bolt on M3 not a supercharged. If I was talking supercharged on both then they would both be fast but the M3 would be faster without question.
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09-29-2009, 01:05 PM | #117 |
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C&D Comparo
Scans are lo-res, but here is the aforementioned C&D comparo between the new S4 and BMW 335i. Also, the comparison was against a standard 335i sedan, not the "X" version.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showpo...5&postcount=50
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10-01-2009, 02:13 AM | #120 |
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The part I like was how the XI was just as fast as the S4 with less rated power... I can't belive that S4 weighs 4,000lbs what is a refrigerator standard? Thats in a whole other weight class. Its heavier then a 5 series wtf.
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10-01-2009, 02:21 AM | #121 | |
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According to BMW UK the 335i maunal weighs 1610kg which includes the 75kg so that in old money works out at 3542lbs. Clearly the extras added to the Audi were vast compared to the BMW, also 50% more in value, but even so an increase of 200lbs sounds excessive. BTW another review from the States quotes their S4 at 3874lbs, that's much closer to Audi's own figures and a hefty amount of extras would produce a figure much closer to that one. http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/28/r...-s-a-reason-f/ |
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10-01-2009, 02:35 AM | #122 | |
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10-01-2009, 06:11 PM | #123 |
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one thing i noticed 5 times in the past 1 month with these new audi, the led day time running light tends to burn off real quick. I noticed most of them would have led on only one side, wth. it looks weird.
btw, these led are seriously getting old/played out. |
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100% agreed. I'm pretty sick of seeing them on the road. It could have been cool if they only put them on the R8 to keep them special. Porsche adding them to the 997.2 doesn't help either.
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It doesnt burn out it turns off if the turn signal is in use. I like the LED's for DRL imo best shit since sliced bread. |
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lol j/k But seriously how many BMW's have you seen with tailights out on one side or even Angel eyes. |
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10-02-2009, 04:22 AM | #128 | |
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We have had them over here even longer than you lot in the States and I can honestly say I have never seen a single car with them that has had one one side working. I can only assume that either heat is a problem or the amount of potholes in the States far exceed the amount we have here. P.S. I have had 1 Audi with them for 11 months and never had a single problem. |
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The comments about AWD be RWD are moot... because the PROBLEM w/ Audi... is they start with the engine IN FRONT of the Front Tires! That platform will NEVER handle like the 3 series... ESPECIALLY the M3!
I think it's LAUGHABLE that the almighty S4 has been brought down to having to compete with the 335i! What a Joke! The C&D Rag... said they liked the S4 better, and they 'felt' it handled better... but the 335i, out skidpadded, out slalom'd & out broke the car??? Audi is DEAD IMO... they still can't get their cars less than 4000 lbs... and they still can't get the motor behind the front axle line. (Very critical for ANYONE that is a 'corner-carver'. Peace, Dave
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Dude... That's your defense? Honestly... again... an S4 has now become the standard from Audi to be compared to BMW's 335i... ??
The S4 is on 255's all the way around... The 335 has smaller fronts... The Cayman S is a great vehicle... and that's not what we're comparing. The S4 has nothing on an M3... and honestly... has nothing on a 335i... in the real world. BMW purposely doesn't allow LSD, and other 'M' features on their 335's... (or other 'non' M Brands)... and again... Audi's S in the real world has nothing for it. I've enjoyed Audi's S line over the years... but continued to hope they would figure out their engines hanging out past the front bumpers... they still haven't. Do some math on Front & Rear Weight bias too... I'm sure those don't mean anything either.
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