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      08-12-2018, 07:02 PM   #67
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The 997 generation of the 911 is my absolute favorite. Very mechanical, but also capable of having some modern creature comforts, like Bluetooth and a basic navigation. 997.1s can be had for low to mid 30k. The updated engine and interior of the 997.2 can be had for 40-50k.
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      08-14-2018, 06:25 PM   #68
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I've asked myself very similar question 100 times....997.1 turbo (75K) or brand new F80. I still don't know the answer, but my conclusion is that I would do it just to switch it up. I personally don't believe the turbo 911 is much faster, if any, but that doesn't matter to me because both cars are fast enough anyway. The M3 is a fun to drive brute, and the turbo is fun to drive in its own right because of how light it is or feels. With all that said at this point it is a better value proposition to buy the turbo because of a flattened depreciation curve. Finally I would not buy a non turbo 997, I believe it will leave you wanting more, it will feel old and slow, and I don't believe in a "charming" way. In your situation let me steer you towards an S2000 an open a whole new can of worms...
The answer for the op and erictrainer is the same...

If you are going to drive it everyday, get the M2, M3, or M4 (new or gently used).

If its going to be an extra car, get the 997 as they are likely done depreciating (I'm guessing we will see prices drop with the next notable stock market and/or housing market correction). Mileage kills Porsches on resale, so if you are putting on 10k+ mi a year, you will still see depreciation.

FYI, I had a 997.2 base 6-speed as a weekend car, and decided to sell it and get a 2018 M2 to daily drive for the same money. While the 997.2 had a level of specialness and I loved the classic 911 look, I don't think the M2 is any worse of a car. The M2 is ~10% or 300lbs heavier but it has 20hp and 55 ft/lb more and my butt dyno says the M2 is faster in most situations. The M2 hides its weight well. The only things I miss from driving the 911 are nimbleness (largely due to shorter wheelbase) and the feeling of how planted the rear is when turning/accelerating. In my opinion, the M2 is 95% of the driving experience in a newer more daily drivable car.

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      08-15-2018, 12:56 PM   #69
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All I can say is I bought my 991.1S four and a half years ago with 11k on it and I don't plan on ever selling it. I've never had a car this long, I'm at 66k and the older it gets the better it gets.
hmm...is the 991.1s a cure for carswitchitis?
i am considering it as my next car...they are just so datn expensive...a low mileage cpo 2015 S is still 115k cdn...
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hmm...is the 991.1s a cure for carswitchitis?
i am considering it as my next car...they are just so datn expensive...a low mileage cpo 2015 S is still 115k cdn...
Nope. I test drove one (Carrera S) back-to-back-to-back with a 981 Cayman S and a 718. I bought the 718 ... and the 991.1 was a distant third.

That said, YMWV -- and the 991 is a very different car than even its predecessor. Drive as many as you can!
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hmm...is the 991.1s a cure for carswitchitis?
i am considering it as my next car...they are just so datn expensive...a low mileage cpo 2015 S is still 115k cdn...
Get a 2012.5, same car.
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hmm...is the 991.1s a cure for carswitchitis?
i am considering it as my next car...they are just so datn expensive...a low mileage cpo 2015 S is still 115k cdn...
Nope. I test drove one (Carrera S) back-to-back-to-back with a 981 Cayman S and a 718. I bought the 718 ... and the 991.1 was a distant third.

That said, YMWV -- and the 991 is a very different car than even its predecessor. Drive as many as you can!
718 - did it sound like a WRX?
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hmm...is the 991.1s a cure for carswitchitis?
i am considering it as my next car...they are just so datn expensive...a low mileage cpo 2015 S is still 115k cdn...
Nope. I test drove one (Carrera S) back-to-back-to-back with a 981 Cayman S and a 718. I bought the 718 ... and the 991.1 was a distant third.

That said, YMWV -- and the 991 is a very different car than even its predecessor. Drive as many as you can!
718 - did it sound like a WRX?
Not really. Does a Subaru sound like a 356?
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I'm shocked anyone would buy a 718 over a 991.1. My '13 C2S is in for new tires and routine care and I have a 718 Boxster S loaner. It's fast, but sounds terrible compared to my car and my old 981 Cayman S. I'd rank them 991.1 then 981, then 718.
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718 - did it sound like a WRX?
You mean does it. mmmmGet your tense right.

Now, to answer your question:
mmmDunno -- Does your Quattro sound like a Jetta?
I've owned a WRX. My car sounds nothing like it beyond the cars sharing, you know, the same engine layout and firing order and all ...

Think of it this way: If sound were everything, why has Nickelback sold umpteen million albums?

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Think of it this way: If sound were everything, why has Nickelback sold umpteen million albums?

Because people have no taste. You won't be doing yourself any favors by comparing your 718 to Nickelback
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718 - did it sound like a WRX?
WRXs sounded like they did for so many years due to unequal length headers, not so much being a boxer. I had a borla "aggressive" exhaust on mine and it was interesting, very low growl/rumble, not like the high pitched WRXs you hear. I believe (but may be wrong) that the new ones do now have equal length headers.
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718 - did it sound like a WRX?
You mean does it. mmmmGet your tense right.

Now, to answer your question:
mmmDunno -- Does your Quattro sound like a Jetta?
I've owned a WRX. My car sounds nothing like it beyond the cars sharing, you know, the same engine layout and firing order and all ...

Think of it this way: If sound were everything, why has Nickelback sold umpteen million albums?

I never said it was a bad thing.
I like the subaru flat 4 sound, when it's just there and understated.

in terms of tense, I was referencing the test drive in which the decision to purchase the 718 was made; in that context, it was in the past.

I am looking at a 981 at the moment, as I cant afford the 718, but the Porsche dealer did say to me that I can drive any car they have available to test. So I might take their new 718 for a spin, because I now want to hear it in person.
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      08-20-2018, 09:18 PM   #81
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Maybe you should reconsider the P car

A 2010-2013 Corvette Grand Sport can be had for less than 40 grand
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A 2010-2013 Corvette Grand Sport can be had for less than 40 grand
Not in Australia, if you could buy them there they'd be well over 100K.

Everyone underestimates how cashed up Australia is.
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Not in Australia, if you could buy them there they'd be well over 100K.

Everyone underestimates how cashed up Australia is.
Things might cost more, but then again, they probably make more as well. I know for a guy who went to work in Australia for a few years, came back to the US and bought a $1M house cash.
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hmm...is the 991.1s a cure for carswitchitis?
i am considering it as my next car...they are just so datn expensive...a low mileage cpo 2015 S is still 115k cdn...
It was for me. Now I just get a new SUV every year instead of a new SUV and a new weekend car every year. I got very lucky though. I bought a 2012.5 in June of 2014 when values were at their worst, people will still butt hurt about the loss of the 997.. The newest 991.1 S you can find now is at least $20k more than I paid for mine in 6/2014.

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Nope. I test drove one (Carrera S) back-to-back-to-back with a 981 Cayman S and a 718. I bought the 718 ... and the 991.1 was a distant third.

That said, YMWV -- and the 991 is a very different car than even its predecessor. Drive as many as you can!
As much as I love the Cayman, I still prefer the feel of a 911. I just sold a friend a 718 Cayman GTS. It's brilliant, but again, I still prefer a 911.

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Get a 2012.5, same car.
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I'm shocked anyone would buy a 718 over a 991.1. My '13 C2S is in for new tires and routine care and I have a 718 Boxster S loaner. It's fast, but sounds terrible compared to my car and my old 981 Cayman S. I'd rank them 991.1 then 981, then 718.
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Things might cost more, but then again, they probably make more as well. I know for a guy who went to work in Australia for a few years, came back to the US and bought a $1M house cash.
We don't at the professional level.

Lower paid people like check out chicks or basic labour are paid far more than the US but a lawyer or a doctor or a Marketing director ... same $$$.
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Um, just no.

I have many many many friends who live and work in AUS (wife is from SA, so many family members and friends have immigrated to AUS). Many of them have also worked in the USA. In general, the CoL for AUS is about 125% of the highest CoL areas of the USA with comparable pay.

In other words, your expenses are comparable to NYC, but your pay is comparable to Philly.

Exactly.

What we don't pay for directly though is healthcare (for the most part), retirement (compulsory 9% ON TOP of your wage goes to a pension) and education is 30% of a half decent US university. Land taxes are also about a third of the US rate.

Still, a coffee and a muffin is $10.
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Just picked up my own 997.2 gt3 (dream car since I laid my eyes on her)

I knew I couldn't buy anything but the GT3 as that's the car I've always wanted. I was going to settle for a turbo or GTS but I knew deep inside what I wanted.

I bought sight unseen and got the car shipped to me. I'm deeply in love with her already and everyday I love her more as I get some valuable seat time behind the wheel and we become more comfortable with each other.

My judgment for paying 110k for a car that's 8 years old was simple. Even though I'm clearly overpaying for what this car is, someone will pay this much again when I want to sell her. It's funny to think about, but when you buy a GT car (excerpt 991.1) - you can practically drive them for free or near free as your car retains or even goes up in value. Crazy!
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My judgment for paying 110k for a car that's 8 years old was simple. Even though I'm clearly overpaying for what this car is, someone will pay this much again when I want to sell her. It's funny to think about, but when you buy a GT car (excerpt 991.1) - you can practically drive them for free or near free as your car retains or even goes up in value. Crazy!
It is an important point this.
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