Supercharge 2011 or F80 M3

[Jonjt]

Originally Posted by Mike Benvo

Personally I would go F80. Especially since the F80 is built for boost, software on it will unleash a serious beast.

Aren't tuners having a serious problem tuning the F10 M5?

[Dkhan23]

Pay of the ///M before you supercharge it

[phrozen06]

Originally Posted by duk

keep it NA!

And make it a Stroker.

[ridin135]

I am dong like others have already said. Pay off my 2013 wait a year or two and pick up an f80. That way you get the best of both worlds

[jonasaurus]

Originally Posted by Dkhan23

Pay of the ///M before you supercharge it

+1

[Grail05]

lci f80 so in short SC your 2011... you have enough time

[dmw16]

OP, is your car stock otherwise? There is a long list of mods I want on my M3 before I put a supercharger on it. In fact, I don't think I'd ever want a supercharger.

Of course, I say that from a recently indoctrinated track addict. So I'd want track wheels, BBK, remote reservoir suspension, etc.

[exmowner]

Originally Posted by Jonjt

Aren't tuners having a serious problem tuning the F10 M5?

I don't think they're having problems per say, from my understanding the car comes tuned close to it's heat dispersion limits. Going any further requires a cooling system upgrade amongst other things.

The s65 m3 is over engineered in many people's opinion and thus the reason why many many supercharged versions are on the road problem free.
I'm no engineer but any engine/car that can handle a 50% power bump in stock form and hold itself together is remarkable.

Without having seen the new M4/M3 (thats going to take some getting used to) it's hard to say if this will be the case.

All that to say I'm holding on to my supercharged v8 until they stop making replacement parts!

[jaehshim]

i don't understand
why worry about 2017 now?

[Alex07M3]

Supercharge it until the F80 has been out long enough to know if it's a better car with more potential then the E9X!

[Jonjt]

Originally Posted by exmowner

I don't think they're having problems per say, from my understanding the car comes tuned close to it's heat dispersion limits. Going any further requires a cooling system upgrade amongst other things.

The s65 m3 is over engineered in many people's opinion and thus the reason why many many supercharged versions are on the road problem free.
I'm no engineer but any engine/car that can handle a 50% power bump in stock form and hold itself together is remarkable.

Without having seen the new M4/M3 (thats going to take some getting used to) it's hard to say if this will be the case.

All that to say I'm holding on to my supercharged v8 until they stop making replacement parts!

I'm surprised the S63Tu has such a cooling system. I would imagine that the car doesnt do too well in hot climates. BMW's other forced induction offerings experience significant power loss when the IATs increase.

But anyway, I was talking more about steps BMW has taken to reduce the ease with which owners can tune their cars. The number of tuned N54s and N55's have caught their attention and, I though, BMW added some security feature to the M5s DME. Thereby, the car is now harder to tune. I thought that was the hold up.


About the S65's state of engineering, other BMW engines (N54 and N55) have and continue to handle 50% power increases, without issue. Plenty of 400whp N54s are running around, without so much as a few bolt-on mods and meth spray. Sure, that;s not optimal but, quite a few people have gone 70+k miles with an FBO x35i vehicle, without issue.


I wouldn't be too concerned with realiability, I just wouldnt bet my S65, (if I had one), on the unknown tunability of the S55, especially since BMW is hostile thowards our community. I think you are doing the right think, keeping your S65. I'd like to get into one, in the next year.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by exmowner

I don't think they're having problems per say, from my understanding the car comes tuned close to it's heat dispersion limits. Going any further requires a cooling system upgrade amongst other things.

The s65 m3 is over engineered in many people's opinion and thus the reason why many many supercharged versions are on the road problem free.
I'm no engineer but any engine/car that can handle a 50% power bump in stock form and hold itself together is remarkable.

Without having seen the new M4/M3 (thats going to take some getting used to) it's hard to say if this will be the case.

All that to say I'm holding on to my supercharged v8 until they stop making replacement parts!

+1

[kwike92]

Originally Posted by Mike Benvo

Personally I would go F80. Especially since the F80 is built for boost, software on it will unleash a serious beast.

+1

But I would wait for the second or third year of the f80 so they can work out the bugs...

Software on a boosted engine is going to unleash hell..

[kchu221]

Originally Posted by kwike92

+1

But I would wait for the second or third year of the f80 so they can work out the bugs...

Software on a boosted engine is going to unleash hell..

werent you gonna SC your m?

[Hawker30]

Call Roman at ESS, he will have good thoughts on this.

[kwike92]

Originally Posted by kchu221

werent you gonna SC your m?

yes i am. but im also not in the market for another car, i love my s65

[CBS]

I'm biased towards SC but I only lightly charged it. Still made an incredible difference.

I think the F80 M3/M4 is going to be awesome but I would wait till it's sorted out.

[exmowner]

Originally Posted by CBS

I'm biased towards SC but I only lightly charged it. Still made an incredible difference.

I think the F80 M3/M4 is going to be awesome but I would wait till it's sorted out.

I got to see your car at iND it was stunning.

Love the BREMBO's

[CBS]

^ Thanks very much exmowner!

[xcharlesy]

Originally Posted by AshyLarryMP

I have 4 more years to pay off my 2011 M3, which would be July 2017. Should I stick with the E92 and supercharge it or get a used F80 M3?

SC it..

[phrozen06]

Stroker

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by jphughan

SC it. You may indeed get more power, DD fuel efficiency, and perhaps (very) long-term reliability by going for an F80, but you lose that sweet, sweet S65. That's the primary reason I don't expect to be tempted by the F80 at all. I definitely wouldn't mind a version of my car that was several hundred pounds and had a HUD, but those aren't worth trading the S65 off, never mind the cost to trade up. I've driven a tuned 1M, and while it's definitely quick and I can't deny that the N54 is fantastic, the 1M just doesn't feel special the same way the M3 does because the S65 is just on a completely different level of fantastic.

Of course a lot of people said things like this about the S85 being replaced by the S63Tu in the M5, and now M5Post is full of former E60 owners who say they don't miss it. But then again I suspect that even among the M5Post community a higher percentage of those cars are used near exclusively as city/highway cruisers than in the M3Post community, whose cars I suspect are more likely to be used as weekend canyon carvers and track rats in addition to perhaps doing DD duty.

Its amazing how long you can stay in one gear to almost 9k rpm. That alone makes it for me. Sure there are faster cars but high redlines are just awesome. S2k to e90 to shit whats next for me a 458?!