Getting the S65 to safe 600whp/Forged internals(engine builders only please)

[GabeS]

Originally Posted by Bxchino-m3

Header make 30hp xtra

May I ask what's a snow performance kit?
and what's a mean king? lol

[Bxchino-m3]

Originally Posted by GabeS

May I ask what's a snow performance kit?
and what's a mean king? lol

Meth kit

[GabeS]

Originally Posted by Bxchino-m3

Meth kit

Got it. I got one too.
Whats mean king? sounded like it was a dyno brand?

[pbonsalb]

Voice recognition misinterpreting Mustang dyno?

[oldmanstyle]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

the illusion of the higher dyno numbers after the carbon driveshaft is because there is less drivetrain loss of power. pretend for the sake of discussion typical loss is 15%. there is less mass to move with a carbon shaft. pretend it is now 12% loss. 3% less loss is like 18 horsepower "gain" on that powerful of a build.

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Probably about right, but what we care about is what we put to the rear wheels, so if we reduce drivetrain loss, I am OK with calling it a power adder. I would not be surprised if the gain from the lighter DS is along the lines of 2-3%. BMW went to a CF DS with the F80 M3, and I am sure there is a reason though perhaps as much fuel economy related as performance related.

CF driveshafts make negligible power difference from mass loss, and usually result in an increased inertia effect due to the larger radius. Any gains would be from eliminating the joint in a 2-piece shaft.

[Weyne Masters]

With you run ETHANOL e-85 you cam go up to 650 WHP With Stock internals

[GabeS]

any evidence to support this?
any links to threads about it?

[pbonsalb]

There is a member with a twin turbo stock block S65 making about 700 rwhp on E85. With the reduced risk of detonation due to E85, you can run more timing and/or boost. At some point the rods won't be able to handle the torque, but that twin turbo car is making more torque than a centrifugal supercharger.

[GabeS]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

There is a member with a twin turbo stock block S65 making about 700 rwhp on E85. With the reduced risk of detonation due to E85, you can run more timing and/or boost. At some point the rods won't be able to handle the torque, but that twin turbo car is making more torque than a centrifugal supercharger.

I was hoping for SC examples.

[pbonsalb]

Should be some data soon. I know a few people are trying to get E85 supercharger tunes now, but there are issues with the injector and pump capacity and only Gintani has a tune and kit and won't sell it to non Gintani customers. Could already be some out there, since not everything going on is immediately public.

[spr]

What about the Stoich difference??

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

E85 tunes make a lot more power than gas tunes on forced induction motors because they allow more boost and more timing with the same compression ratio. E85 without a tune makes a little more power than a gas tune because it allows the motor to always hit the gas tune timing target and the added volume of E85 cools the intake charge.

On NA motors with E85 tune, E85 adds a little power due to added timing and cooling. On NA motors with pump gas tune, E85 adds a few percent power due to always hitting the pump gas timing target and added cooling.

[spr]

Really? Also did you read about the kit? It's just a flex fuel kit piggyback with proflex commander.

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Should be some data soon. I know a few people are trying to get E85 supercharger tunes now, but there are issues with the injector and pump capacity and only Gintani has a tune and kit and won't sell it to non Gintani customers. Could already be some out there, since not everything going on is immediately public.

[whats77inaname]

Originally Posted by GabeS

any evidence to support this?
any links to threads about it?

Weyne is pretty much knocking this out, but I think he's being quiet while he perfects things W/E85 on a s/c kit, you'll need bigger injectors, add'l pump(s), lines/rails and a tune to take advantage of the E85. IIRC, Weyne is also running a smaller pulley (10 or 12 lbs). 650whp should be attainable.

[GabeS]

Originally Posted by whats77inaname

Weyne is pretty much knocking this out, but I think he's being quiet while he perfects things W/E85 on a s/c kit, you'll need bigger injectors, add'l pump(s), lines/rails and a tune to take advantage of the E85. IIRC, Weyne is also running a smaller pulley (10 or 12 lbs). 650whp should be attainable.

I am from Brazil also, and I'm pretty sure there are almost no SC kits in Brazil and I assume not many people tuning high hp engines, Specially on an engine where even in the US were having trouble tuning, and E85 tune isn't out yet.

[whats77inaname]

Originally Posted by GabeS

I am from Brazil also, and I'm pretty sure there are almost no SC kits in Brazil and I assume not many people tuning high hp engines, Specially on an engine where even in the US were having trouble tuning, and E85 tune isn't out yet.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...1&postcount=24

Originally Posted by Weyne Masters

We had issues with OEM FUEL LINES and E100 above 650WHP and 7500 RPM even with 2 Walbros.
After upgrade Fuel Lines and Rail for 14 MM ,we are running 100 % Methanol,700 WHP at 8000 RPM ,and 9 PSI off boost.
The Syvecs Roll race its simple amazing!

He's also running/ran a really small pulley:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...79&postcount=6

Originally Posted by Weyne Masters

My sistem is the same vacuum,I've just instal a 72 MM pulley and iam reading 11 PSI with e30 new injector and water thank

This with his 625+ kit....

[GabeS]

Originally Posted by whats77inaname

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...1&postcount=24


He's also running/ran a really small pulley:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...79&postcount=6




This with his 625+ kit....

Sickness but he's running full methanol.
And he's clearly loaded haha

[whats77inaname]

Originally Posted by GabeS

Sickness but he's running full methanol.
And he's clearly loaded haha

*lol* Have to agree with you there

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by spr

What about the Stoich difference??

You would have to put my post back into its place in the thread for context. The proflex e85 adapter kit addresses your concern.

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by spr

Really? Also did you read about the kit? It's just a flex fuel kit piggyback with proflex commander.

You would again have to put my post back into context in the thread. An E85 tune with hardware changes including pump and injectors and maybe lines will allow E85 use on a supercharged S65 and make more power than on pump gas.

[GabeS]

Weyne Masters
whats77inaname

How much does setting up the fuel system for 650-700 whp like Weyne Masters is running?

custom lines/ extra pumps+ injectors cost am In missing anything?? (any round about $$ numbers?)

[whats77inaname]

Originally Posted by GabeS

Weyne Masters
whats77inaname

How much does setting up the fuel system for 650-700 whp like Weyne Masters is running?

custom lines/ extra pumps+ injectors cost am In missing anything?? (any round about $$ numbers?)

He's also running a $$$ Syvecs.... that's where the majority of the $ will be spent, outside of the tune. The other parts aren't all that expensive (<$1000).

[spr]

Guy, I'm just giving you info. I don't give a shit about your setup or lack of knowledge on what you're doing. This is not common knowledge.

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

You would again have to put my post back into context in the thread. An E85 tune with hardware changes including pump and injectors and maybe lines will allow E85 use on a supercharged S65 and make more power than on pump gas.