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02-03-2010, 04:51 AM | #1 |
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Audio Problem, need some help
I completed an audio upgrade with some help from the forum about a year ago. I did the sws8's two pdx 4.1's, one for subs and one for the speakers. I have base audio, I had a small problem with an amp and I also used an loc that was not necessarily needed, but took a lot of noise out of the system.
Everything was fine until aboout two months ago an intermittent problem arose. The sound will just cut off for a second. It seemed to be random, although I just now seem to be able to recreate it. When at a full stop or close to it, foot on the brake, let off brake and hit gas, about 50% of the time it will cut out. I had it diagnosed by audio shop before I discovered how to recreate it, and they could not reproduce the errorr, so of course they have no clue. I took it to BMW and they could not produce the error, but what they told me concerned me about the entire electrical system. They basically said everything from BMW was good, the aftermarket stuff they could not look at (I knew that) and my entire audio system in the car is pretty much "as is". Even if I could determine that it's a defective head unit, that the warranty is now void, because any replacement of anything aftermarket in the entire electrical system could have caused a surge that would disturb the balance in the precarious electrical eco-system. Does anyone have any thoughts on what to look at to cause the problem, and or any ideas on the validity of the warranty being void. I full expected anything after the amp in the system to be void, but the head unit does not seem to make sense. |
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Thanks, I did not put the amps in myself. But I know they did use the OEM remote turn on and 99% sure no relay. I will check, install and report back. I appreciate it!!!!!
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I had a relay put in and still the same. Hitting the gas pedal produces a second of signal loss. It does not seem to lose any power. It just seems to be complete loss of signal. It's still random, but the harder you hit the gas, the more often it losses signal. Any other ideas would be appreciated.
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That will tell us if the problem is at the amps or at the OEM HU. If the amps shut down then you have a problem with the actual OEM remote line, thus with the OEM HU internals. If the amps stay on then you have an issue with either the OEM HU balanced outputs or somehow with the power going into both amps. Are the gains of those amps at minimum? |
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I have the car in neutral and hit the gas to produce the error. So it appears to be electrical not a jolt.
I do not believe I have the gains at minimum, but I will check and respond. All indications to me is something wrong with the OEM HU. The dealership has said because I installed an aftermarket amp that any warranty with the audio is now void(including HU). Has that been your experience? |
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Set the gains to minimum; the PDX accepts 4V (not clear if it is peak or RMS), the OEM HU puts out 5V. Where is the 12V connection for the amps? |
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I had a AA pulley installed in November, could this be the cause? Combined with the audio upgrade? I thought it to be irrelevant but now I am guessing maybe not. And if you are correct, I will give $10 when I pick up my 2014-2015? ED M3
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Do the test at night with the lights on. Something else should at least flicker... |
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Nothing. Sound did still go out, and I could not detect any dimming at all. I read in searching for pulley issues that the alternator cuts off under hard accelleration? Any possible relevance?
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Take you car back to the installer and ask them to monitor the OEM HU outputs voltage with a constant 1KHz tone while you are reproducing this issue. This can be done at the amps inputs by splicing a RCA plug to the wires and connecting it to a multimeter. If that checks OK (constant voltage) then test both the OEM HU and the amps 12V voltage while you reproduce this issue as well... For sure something is dipping way below its required voltage, either the 12V power, the 12V remote, or the 5V balanced outputs. |
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Maybe a ground has come lose? I'm not sure, but Technic sounds like he knows what he is talking about. Trace the problem from the amp to the head-unit, I wouldn't replace the head-unit and potentially still have the same issue.
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Easy enough to check, just measure the Voltage at the amps' terminals and have someone press the gas. If it spikes there ya go. |
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I turned the gains down to minimum and it acted exactly the same. Reproduced the signal loss on high rev. I thought I had an interior light flicker, but I cant reproduce it even when I can reproduce the signal loss. I will test everything suggested and repost. I really appreciate the help!!!!!!!
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