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FYI the difference between the two best 60-130 runs, a DCT and 6MT, in similar conditions and mods is 11.28 vs. 10.71. But if the 6MT is making more power it will certainly beat the DCT. A stock DCT does it in 12.6 seconds. Anyone that looks at a dyno chart and then predicts exactly how many CLth's his car will pull against another is a bit silly, just as typing in information to "cartest" and predicting results is a bit silly, how the two are different I don't know, you can type all that into cartest and it will tell you which car is faster, no? Isn't that what you used to predict your results and others?
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What I was trying to say was that just because taking the filter off a car gains you boost, doesn't mean things are unsafe as Roman said.. |
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06-08-2010, 04:31 AM | #993 |
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I think you are all forgetting this post by per.
"just came home from the first day of the m5boardevent, raced a lot of cars, tuned m5s, ferarri f40, meth 335s, was easy wins, was even with a 700+ audi rs6, and a noell stroked m6, i lost against 2 tuned porsche turbo and a gtr p850+ switzer with 5-6 clsr, same car who raced a veyron on youtube. I will post some links to videos as they are being published. I was surpriced with the 2 stock gtrs, one was a easy win , but the other one i missed the start with a few meters and it took me almost to 240km/h until i passed him, the start is realy important in races like this , you have to watch for false starts 2-3 meter is enough to get some extra km/h who makes a big differnce if the races are even " Let's wait until per has a chance to respond to his weekend himself instead of people assuming they know what hes thinking. And let's also wait to see some of the other videos from the event |
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06-08-2010, 09:22 AM | #995 |
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I was at ESS in Norway to do a check of the car , since it is a new car i asked them to se that everything is fine, and of course to do a new dyno.
I had hard to believe that a kit that are sold as a 625 hp kit would give so much more hp, coming from the 335 forum where a lot of whp is counted with a factor of 1,2 or more it just was to good to be true.
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06-08-2010, 09:38 AM | #996 |
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Gents,
Please keep the discussion civil..... Let's all play nice together...please.
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Let me repeat this one more time: You guys need to keep on topic.
I wanted to let this thread run to see how it pans out, but it didn't work that well. Hence, every further post not being related to the original topic will get deleted and is subject to infractions. The same goes for any comment inciting more drama. As usual, all questions via PM. Thanks everybody! Best regards, south
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Bottom Line to me atleast is this, ESS Makes a Stellar, Well designed , Perfictly Tuned Kit & with that being said they even Claim the most conservative number on a Dyno ....
I own the 600+ kit and reciently discoverd 3 boost leaks on my car and they have been leaking for some time cause i was never ever able to break the tires loose in second gear and sometimes even in 1st gear , only on below 35 deg weather was i able to do so, i even questioned with other owners of the ESS kit and they all said our break them loose easly .... well now that i fixed my leaks i can say this i run 295/35/20 GoodYear F1 tires and i have absolutly no traction in 1st , 2nd , and early 3rd this happend in 85deg weather ..... I've own alot of fast cars and this thing is putting down well over 500+ whp , will dyno soon .... |
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I can bet that if I was driving that car you would have seen different results not that his was bad ... But good shifting at good shift points make a world of a differnece and it's also fair to say that he needs to learn the car , even I do considering the power lost due to my boost leak ..... Power/shifting/car knowlage = equal good times and races... :::: cheers :::::: |
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Wow that comment about Pea's 700hp dyno got taken the wrong way I think!
Since I'm a good and long time customer I've had the chance to try several E9X M3 with different SC setups and all I can say is that they all worked perfectly and those VT2 625s are beasts for sure! My friend Robert has a 625 and was also at the same M5board event as Pea this weekend, Can't wait til Gustav posts some vids of his runs so all can see how fast these cars are Great job ESS, keep it up! |
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Hi I'm the owner of the other Swedish VT2 625 M3 with akrapovic exhaust. I'm really pleased with the performance and results from dragracing cars all sunday on the m5board event,
I hope Gustav will post some clips of my races so you can se for your self |
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Looking forward to it, I love this stuff, there is nothing like seeing how your car performs against other fast cars.
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Wow, what a thing! Hasn't this thread gotten a bit heated.
Can I let you guys in on a little secret? An M3 needs to be taken by the scruff of it's neck & thrashed like there's no tomorrow. If you don't do this, you will not extract the maximum performance from it. It's not like a turbo car where you can afford to granny shift short of the redline, & the wave of midrange torque will make up for your lazy driving. No, sir-ree Bawb. You need to rev an M3 to the limiter & snap it as darn quick as you can & keep it up there & on the boil gear after gear. That's why a DCT has such an advantage over a manual even given 2 drivers that can row like champions. Now take 2 average drivers and the gap widens somewhat. Then add a 600hp supercharged manual M3 into the mix. Then add a driver that has been driving DCT for the last few years & give him a 600hp manual M3. Besides the shifts being slow, there's the added drama of wheelspin between the shifts now. And if you rev a few hundred rpm short of redline you lose a heck of a lot of acceleration. And this accumulates over a couple of gears. No offense, Per maybe I reading this wrong, but I think you still need to get accustomed to the new car 1stly, & the new power 2ndly. A driver can make or brake a car's performance. You get some guys that are like caged tigers. Then you get some guys that are laid back, and inevitably start the race having to play catch up. Looks like Big Tom, was the former. He was ready to pounce come the last cone & get a jump into the lead. But Per, pretty please do me a favour next time. Do not start in 2nd. EVER! If you have to bounce the limiter in 1st then so be it. I will never go rolling in 2nd gear with a big turbo car. That's playing right into their hands. They can go into whatever gear they want. 2nd probably suits their powerband better anyway. But an M3 needs to get into the powerband, and you have to engage 1st gear. 50km/h in 1st is perfect. Should be around 7000rpm. I know it's a short stint into 2nd. And maybe you will light up the rears when you shift. But you can control that & from that point on you are in the powerband. To labour way out of powerband for an eternity, is a far far worse situation to be in. Especially against big turbo Porshes that will climb onto boost mid-gear & leave you gasping for air & looking at your rev counter laboriously climbing past 4000rpm while they have boosted 2nd gear & are into boost in 3rd before you have gone halfway through 2nd. Trust me on this, charger or not, an M3's weapon is revs. Use it. Rolling at 3000rpm (especially if the other car jumps you), will paint a wrong picture of your performance. After all the cars you are racing are not exactly push-overs. You first have to catch up to them, before you can pass them. And with the acceleration advantage they have at the start, it's leaving too much to do. |
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M&M you are probably right , i have had a tuned M3 for 1 week and certainly need some practise after my DCT tranny days.
Bu i tryed starting in first gear only ending up with spinning wheels and a car that didnīt move. But i will give it a try next time. BTW is it only me that runs completely catless with VT-600 or 625
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