E92 M3 vs. E92 335i + JB4?

[Jaymax85]

Hmm, i had a modded 135i and while I miss the torque, the m3 is a totally different animal. The m3 makes the 135i feel like a pig.

[Vanmarsenille]

Originally Posted by Robertyu

Killerfish, making such arrogant and incorrect sweeping assumptions about Americans is not helping you make any kind of point other than proving what an unpleasant personality you exhibit.

Please just go back to the 335 forums as you are just making yourself look bad here.

I had a modded 335i as well. Great car, but I never felt possessed to go and pick forum fights with M3 owners, and I'm glad I had the maturity to not do that.

[okusa]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

Unfortunately for you, the american philosophy is proving wrong. You can't fill voids in your life by continously purchasing meaningless products.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by nullrouted

Btw, how does the modded 335i fare against an ESS M3?

I'm not even going to bother responding to this troll anymore.

But to answer your question (because it's a good one), here's how one of the fastest stock turbo 335's (running FBO + complete e85 conversion) fares against an ESS 625 M3:

Upgraded turbo 335's? They give me a harder time but Dave and Serge can't beat me with their RB 335's and I also beat CaptainInsano with the Vishnu single turbo and mind you, this is the most powerful 335 on the planet.

In full disclosure I couldn't beat my good friend Terry Burger but he did blow up his RB turbo n54 motor in his 135 trying to squeeze every drop of power out of it possible. Last I heard he was back with teh stock turbos.

[KKM3]

^nice vid, plus u will never get that kinda of intoxicating sound out of the boring 335 motor. I hate that car and I hate all the newer model bmw's for becoming soft and soulless. No more Na aspirated engines WHAT A SHAME. I was bmw through and through but not anymore. The e92 m3 will be my last new bmw.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by KKM3

^nice vid, plus u will never get that kinda of intoxicating sound out of the boring 335 motor. I hate that car and I hate all the newer model bmw's for becoming soft and soulless. No more Na aspirated engines WHAT A SHAME. I was bmw through and through but not anymore. The e92 m3 will be my last new bmw.

I see you also have an R8 V10!! For my next car I'm thinking either that or the 997.2 Turbo S. Both are awesome and I'm leaning toward the Audi because it sounds sooooo awesome. It doesn't get any better than a mid-engine V-10...that is unless you toss a couple twins in there from UGR

[TurboBimmer]

Too bad that most people seem to think the modding only includes "go fast in a straight line mods".

Just take a look at the Alpina B3 GT3 which, at only 408bhp, equaled the M3 GT3's Nordschleife Laptime of 7.49, at half the price! In Hockenheim, it's even 0.2 seconds faster!

http://www.sportauto.de/supertest/bm...13.html?show=2

And many 335i's are far more modded than the Alpina...

It only takes the right mix of mods to even beat the Uber-M3 GTS...

[KKM3]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

I see you also have an R8 V10!! For my next car I'm thinking either that or the 997.2 Turbo S. Both are awesome and I'm leaning toward the Audi because it sounds sooooo awesome. It doesn't get any better than a mid-engine V-10...that is unless you toss a couple twins in there from UGR

I was thinking of a 997.2 turbo but changed my mind very quickly when I realized I hate turbocharged cars. Plus, if I'm gonna spend super car money, I might as well buy a super car right? Just made sense to me. I love the sound and feel of a high revving naturally aspirated motor. My last 3 cars were all similar in that respect. My r8 then before that a 2010 gt3 and before that my m3.

I drove the turbo s and while its very fast my v10 r8 feels faster because of the sound and because of how responsive the engine is. I think the r8 is very underrated on this forum, many people do not have much experience with them and you rarely see discussions about it. It is an amazing ride, If your ever in my area I'd be glad to take u for a ride in it.

[TurboBimmer]

Originally Posted by KKM3

I was thinking of a 997.2 turbo but changed my mind very quickly when I realized I hate turbocharged cars. Plus, if I'm gonna spend super car money, I might as well buy a super car right? Just made sense to me. I love the sound and feel of a high revving naturally aspirated motor. My last 3 cars were all similar in that respect. My r8 then before that a 2010 gt3 and before that my m3.

I drove the turbo s and while its very fast my v10 r8 feels faster because of the sound and because of how responsive the engine is. I think the r8 is very underrated on this forum, many people do not have much experience with them and you rarely see discussions about it. It is an amazing ride, If your ever in my area I'd be glad to take u for a ride in it.

There are quite a few R8's in my area and they certainly turn heads more than Porsches which are way more common here.

Whilst the R8 is a great car on its own, I think it lacks some "edgyness". It's just too perfect, too "german" However the V10 certainly adds a good amount of character compared to the V8 version.

[KKM3]

Originally Posted by Autobahn335i

There are quite a few R8's in my area and they certainly turn heads more than Porsches which are way more common here.

Whilst the R8 is a great car on its own, I think it lacks some "edgyness". It's just too perfect, too "german" However the V10 certainly adds a good amount of character compared to the V8 version.

It is perfect. Perfect steering, perfect brakes, perfect ride, awd drive grip while feeling like a rear wheel drive car. It's the only car that I never got tired of. I love it more than any Porsche I've ever owned and it's faster than many people think. I smoked a ford gt today. I destroyed a zo6 and stayed neck and neck with a 458 to 130mph all with a simple tune. I bought my one year old (at the time) r8 v10 for the price of a new well equipped Porsche carrera s.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by KKM3

It is perfect. Perfect steering, perfect brakes, perfect ride, awd drive grip while feeling like a rear wheel drive car. It's the only car that I never got tired of. I love it more than any Porsche I've ever owned and it's faster than many people think. I smoked a ford gt today. I destroyed a zo6 and stayed neck and neck with a 458 to 130mph all with a simple tune. I bought my one year old (at the time) r8 v10 for the price of a new well equipped Porsche carrera s.

Awesome thanks for the feedback. I did run a tuned V10 at the first NoFlyZone event at the Ft. Shafter airfield and I was very surprised at how fast it was. Then I saw a vid of a UGR TT V10 R8 and was like I know the TT can perhaps ruin the character of the car but I mean...1,000 HP!!!! It's good to know that at least it's an option.

I've been pricing pre-owned V10's on the Internet...not sure if people are dealing right now. But realistically I'm going to wait another year or so until I get serious about looking. But I love everything about the car.

[sadak]

I had a 335i 2008 with FBO, meth, wavetrac diff, extra oil cooler, oil thermostat delete, M3 bolt on suspension parts, JRZ coil over. Race with slicks.
And now a stock M3 2012 DCT.
I can tell the 335i was way, way, way faster but it had a lot of donwsizes.
During hot days I could only do 2-3 fast laps and took another 3 laps to cool down.
I had once fire on the engine due to a meth leak
I had a blow piston due to a blow meth line. The line had only 6 months of use.
The diff went to hot on track
So the 335 was fast but need a lot of investiment to provide constant performance on track, need giant oil coolers, diff cooler.
About the m3, it just feel right out of stock and is more fun to drive, the engine pulls high rev, and this will be the last M with natural aspirated engine by now. If you want a reliable car on track go stock.
For street a modded 335i will be nice
If need more performance go to a GTR, 997 turbo, R8 v10, GT3 RS...

[mdosu]

So guys what do you think about the 335is?

[SVO]

If you've got all the money in the world, sure, M3 it must be. Now if you pick a price, say $50k, and age, say 30k miles, things get much stickier. An M3 leaves about $5k for mods. With a 335, you've got $15k left.

Between wheels, tires, ECU, FMIC, downpipes, coilovers, brakes, all that works under $15k. Maybe more aggressive bumper caps and side skirts too. Now that 335 is YOUR car, done how YOU want it. It's somewhat unique. Who really gives a rats ass if it is a bit faster or slower than an M3? How small IS your manly part? If you are a serious racer you already have a dedicated track car. These are street cars. Some hot laps once in a while is all they can handle reliably.

The $5k to spend on the M3 is going to leave you almost stock. Not much low-hanging fruit because the car is well-dialed off the lot. A dry sump kit won"t fit that budget. Test pipes, tune, better rubber and lighter wheels. Again, who cares if a JB4 335 can pull on you? The M3's handling is totally sublime.

It just depends on how much you know about cars and where your priorities lie. No wrong choices here. OTOH, take that Z06 more than about 6 inches off the smooth track and you have made a very sorry choice.

[Ezio]

IMO modded 335is are going to be faster for the money.

although i will say a full exhuast V8 M3 sounds worlds better than a 335i IMHO. not to mention handlers better and looks better.

again its what you like. they are plenty of people who live turbo engines.

[SVO]

Originally Posted by Ezio

IMO modded 335is are going to be faster for the money.

although i will say a full exhaust V8 M3 sounds worlds better than a 335i IMHO. not to mention handlers better and looks better.

again its what you like. they are plenty of people who live turbo engines.

N54 sounds like a Honda. It's worst trait. Aftermarket exhaust doesn't help that much. Looks? Um, pretty much the same car. For $4-5k the 335 will look a good deal more aggressive. Add just a front lip and decent looking wheels and I call it a draw. Neither can hold a candle to pretty much any Audi product.

Yeah, those of us at 5k+ elevation especially love forced induction. Even my old 1.8t Passat could move at 9k+.

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by sadak

I had a 335i 2008 with FBO, meth, wavetrac diff, extra oil cooler, oil thermostat delete, M3 bolt on suspension parts, JRZ coil over. Race with slicks.
And now a stock M3 2012 DCT.
I can tell the 335i was way, way, way faster but it had a lot of donwsizes.
During hot days I could only do 2-3 fast laps and took another 3 laps to cool down.
I had once fire on the engine due to a meth leak
I had a blow piston due to a blow meth line. The line had only 6 months of use.
The diff went to hot on track
So the 335 was fast but need a lot of investiment to provide constant performance on track, need giant oil coolers, diff cooler.
About the m3, it just feel right out of stock and is more fun to drive, the engine pulls high rev, and this will be the last M with natural aspirated engine by now. If you want a reliable car on track go stock.
For street a modded 335i will be nice
If need more performance go to a GTR, 997 turbo, R8 v10, GT3 RS...

It's quite interesting to see how much money people have dumped into 335's. I mean it's astounding. And yet after thousands of dollars, their in an M3 a couple years later. I would have hated to been through that.

Should just gotten a pre-owned M and boosted it from the getgo. But, live and learn right?

[sadak]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

It's quite interesting to see how much money people have dumped into 335's. I mean it's astounding. And yet after thousands of dollars, their in an M3 a couple years later. I would have hated to been through that.

Should just gotten a pre-owned M and boosted it from the getgo. But, live and learn right?

The problem is that you do not live in Brazil and you can't imagine how much cost the cars here. When I bought the used 2008 335i it cost me used about US$70K on september, 2011 and a new 2011/2012 M3 would cost me that time US$170K. Last year when I bought the 2012 M3 it costed me US$100k, much more that a new M3 in USA. With this money if I live in USA I would buy a 2011 Porsche 997 TT.

Just look that in less than two years the previous owner of the M3 lost the same as a new M3 in USA. It's sad. Too much taxes here.

So, it will depend on how much is the diference between a 335i and M3.

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by sadak

The problem is that you do not live in Brazil and you can't imagine how much cost the cars here. When I bought the used 2008 335i it cost me used about US$70K on september, 2011 and a new 2011/2012 M3 would cost me that time US$170K. Last year when I bought the 2012 M3 it costed me US$100k, much more that a new M3 in USA. With this money if I live in USA I would buy a 2011 Porsche 997 TT.

Just look that in less than two years the previous owner of the M3 lost the same as a new M3 in USA. It's sad. Too much taxes here.

So, it will depend on how much is the diference between a 335i and M3.

man, that does suck. i guess you can't have some of the best looking women in the world AND have reasonably priced cars. lol

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

man, that does suck. i guess you can't have some of the best looking women in the world AND have reasonably priced cars. lol

Rofl

[BenchRacerYo]

Using straight line speed as your only factor when considering an M3 is the saddest thing I have ever heard.

You've missed what the M3 is about. Go buy a 335i and stay in the 11s. We'll be breaking into the 10s with our supercharged M3s.

[Patrón]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

Somewhat true.



Mine's a 10/06 build with 109K street and track miles, what's your point?




You forgot an FMIC upgrade. btw, there are much better tires than the stock M3's PS2's which chunk at the track. As for the LSD, you really don't need it unless you plan to track the 335I with traction control off. Even then you won't run faster times than the open diff with dynamic traction control engaged. Also all the after market LSDs for the 335I are way more advanced than the M3's stock hydrolic pump based diff.



Not at all sir. It all depends on the track layout. On any small track, with say 2.5 miles or less, the Full Bolt on 335I will beat the stock M3, by as much as 4-5 seconds. I know, cuz I've been doing recreational circuit racing for years On larger tracks with straight-aways that allow speeds of over 140mph, the advantage goes to the M3, due to gear ratios, and max speed attained in 4th gear. However the gap will be less, say down to 1-2 seconds, if the 335I is a manual.

Please research facts before posting up information. Thanks.

What tracks are you beating these cars by 4-5 seconds?