New Troubles: C63 amg vs. M3

[MikeG_C63_AMG]

Originally Posted by MMMorish

I'll agree with you on the seats, which are absolutely wonderful, but save for the coot DTM style steering wheel with its flat bottom, there is nothing better about the steering wheel than a regualar C. The material is that same hard plastic that comes on all the other C's and the girth is not different either. I personally love the Novillo on the M's steering wheel and the girth of it makes me feel like I have something solid in my hands.

Absolutely False. I have had a C300 loaner car when the 63 was in for service and the only thing both steering wheels have in common is the three point star in the middle.

[Sincity]

Originally Posted by MJC///M3

OP: Both are phenomenal cars....both have a menacing presence on the road that exude both class and awesome power. The C63 is a brute, and the M a sleek missile. The C63's exhaust note and straightline power is intoxicating; the M's hi-revs and ability to cut corners at mind blowing speeds is one of the mosty satisfying feelings on earth. I wish I had the money b/c they would both be in my garage. I always turn my head when I see a 63 and needless to say they always turn heads when they see my M. In the end it is up to you. Either way I dont really think you can go wrong. AMG and M...can't we all just get along!!

Thank you for your objectivity. If I could afford to, I too, would have an E90 in my garage.

[Sincity]

Originally Posted by MMMorish

I personally love the Novillo on the M's steering wheel and the girth of it makes me feel like I have something solid in my hands.

I also like the slightly spongy feeling of the M steering wheel over the harder AMG wheel.

[a burrito]

Originally Posted by MMMorish

I'll agree with you on the seats, which are absolutely wonderful, but save for the coot DTM style steering wheel with its flat bottom, there is nothing better about the steering wheel than a regualar C. The material is that same hard plastic that comes on all the other C's and the girth is not different either. I personally love the Novillo on the M's steering wheel and the girth of it makes me feel like I have something solid in my hands.

The Novillo feels nice against your body but the perforations on C's 10's and 2's feel nice in your hand. Also, the stains on the leather are much less noticable on the perforated parts. I personally like the hand grooves on the 10's and 2's too rather than the super girthy M wheel. Its just a little too thick for a great grip. But thats just me. They both have better interior (everything) than any other 3 or C can provide.

[graider]

Originally Posted by a burrito

The Novillo feels nice against your body but the perforations on C's 10's and 2's feel nice in your hand. Also, the stains on the leather are much less noticable on the perforated parts. I personally like the hand grooves on the 10's and 2's too rather than the super girthy M wheel. Its just a little too thick for a great grip. But thats just me. They both have better interior (everything) than any other 3 or C can provide.

i think it is a personal preference thing. i like the thick m steering alot. anything skinner just won't feel right after that.

[a burrito]

Originally Posted by graider

i think it is a personal preference thing. i like the thick m steering alot. anything skinner just won't feel right after that.

Definitely is. My 911s steering wheel and my FJ's steering wheel are quite close in girth but both are on the skinnier side. Not a day goes by with me wanting a thicker steering wheel.

[stickypaws]

While I like the M wheel a lot, I personally like the grooves in the AMG wheel. They force you (and remind you) to hold the wheel correctly and I can lock in my thumbs and forefinger.

I have a 996 3-spoke wheel on my 993 that has the same grooves. So, I'm also used to it.

[TOOMANYCARS]

Have both, prefer M3 over C63 even in daily commute, 'nuff said.

[Hans Delbruck]

What if you hold the wheel at 9 and 3? Like a proper race driver.

I love the M3, but I could only afford to pick one in this category. The madness of the C63 as well as its simplicity (big engine, slushbox, non-adjustable suspension) won me over.

I bought this car to entertain me and "coddle" me, and it does put a big grin on my face.

[stickypaws]

Originally Posted by Hans Delbruck

What if you hold the wheel at 9 and 3? Like a proper race driver.

That's why I like the grooves. At 9 and 3.

And no limp wrists

[EuroRev]

You can't lose either way

Here's some pics of my friend's C63

[Kyosho]

I saw one the other day and it looked really sweet.
I had a hard time deciding between the two, but in the end I went with the M Its always fun having a stratospheric redline.

The thicker steering wheel and overall nicer interior won me over. I had a 335i before the M, and everything just felt more homey in the M3 than in the C63.

[Sincity]

Originally Posted by Sincity

I also like the slightly spongy feeling of the M steering wheel over the harder AMG wheel.

I no longer need to be jealous of you guys with your awesome, thick and spongy steering wheel.

DCT Motorsports has a solution:




Custom re-upholstering of stock wheel (CLS AMG shown). They also do work on BMW and other fine vehicles.

[H Bomb]

i rented a C class when on a biz trip, it was midly loaded. i really hated it, the ac sucked (was in FL in summer) the egros sucked. there was a lag in the engine and the interior sucked. i felt the C63 could be no where near this, so while i was there i went and test drove it. the susp, brakes and motor were the only things better in my op. the interior still sucked so did the ac and the interior was pretty much identical. the layout of the controls are annoying.

as for the M3 i wanted a true manual and a 2 door and i liked the interior much better even though it is more bland then in the previous E46 M.

there both fast and i wasn't getting one to go drag race people at stop lights so it didn't matter much if one was 1 sec faster to 60mph or to 1/4mile. there both fast enough to get you in trouble or killed if your not careful. i really liked the mdm feature in the M3 as well

M3 was a no brainer for me, but having 2 past M cars i am sure that had something to do with my choice. you can't go wrong with either though

[M3 Montreal]

I did not have the C63 in my list when I was shopping only due to the fact that I wanted a Coupe and I wanted MT.

My choices were the S5 and the M3 which is what I chose after not being impressed at all with the driving feel and power of the S5.

Had I not cared about MT and was shopping for a 4 door I would have easily chosen the C63.

[FStop7]

If I lived in Florida I'd get the C63. I grew up in South FL. The roads are flat and straight, everything is a grid. It's not suited to an M3.

[335iTrace]

Originally Posted by Exacc

C63 = sledgehammer
M3 = Scalpel

Pick you tool!

This is so true. I live in NC and there is a company that lets you drive all sorts of cars up to the Mnts and back, and I drove both. Out of a F430, Gallardo, Aston Martin, GTR, 911 Turbo, M3, and 63 AMG the Amg was my least favortie, and the M3 was #3... same went for everyone else on the trip.

Yes the Merc has a great sound, ok, but it drives like poo, shifts like it too. The M3 I drove had the dual clutch which i compaired to a little butler just ready to hand you the next gear whether it be up or down... awesome.

For 10k you get a much better warranty, a more reliable car, and speaking from experience a car that will do EXACTLY what you want it to do.

They don't call it the ultimate driving machine for nothing! sorry about the typos... on my phone

[graider]

Originally Posted by stickypaws

That's why I like the grooves. At 9 and 3.

And no limp wrists

i usually drive with one hand. can't stand the race car driver stance on the street, LOL

I think the c63 amg interior is really bad. the only thing that really nice is the seat, but that's about it. exterior it is on par or slightly worse looking than the e90 m3.

[Heat00]

factory exhaust on the c63 is amazing.
I'm at 30,000 miles and I haven't seen the track yet, go for the mad power!

[ihyln]

I don't quite trust the C class reliability to this day. Back in 08 when I took a C63 for a spin it did not have a LSD yet and the ride was pretty harsh. It's even worse with the LSD package now.

[Bob86GN]

Originally Posted by RobFL1015

BMW M3 vs Mercedes C63 AMG vs Audi RS4 in Spain - Top Gear - BBC

I could probably watch this video every day!

[zpqls]

e90 m3 vs c63 amg I will get the benz otherwise e92 m3 with dct... M3!!

M3
submitted by Richard Owen
type Production Car
built at Regensburg, Germany
price $ $ $59,625 USD
engine Aluminum/Silicon Alloy V8
position Front Longitudinal
aspiration Natural
block material Aluminum
valvetrain DOHC, 4 Valves per Cyl w/double-VANOS
fuel feed Fuel injection
displacement 3999 cc / 244.0 in³
bore 92 mm / 3.62 in
stroke 75.2 mm / 2.96 in
compression 12.0:1
power 313.2 kw / 420 bhp @ 8300 rpm
specific output 105.03 bhp per litre
bhp/weight 253.78 bhp per tonne
torque 399.97 nm / 295 ft lbs @ 3900 rpm
redline 8400
body / frame E92 Unit Steel
driven wheels RWD w/M Differential Lock
wheel type Forged Aluminum Alloy
front tires 245/40 ZR18 Michelin Pilot Sport 2
rear tires 265/40 ZR18 Michelin Pilot Sport 2
front brakes Drilled & Ventilated Discs w/Single Piston Calipers, ABS
rear brakes Drilled & Ventilated Discs w/Single Piston Calipers, ABS
front wheels F 45.7 x 21.59 cm / 18 x 9.5 in
rear wheels R 45.7 x 24.13 cm / 18 x 9.5 in
steering Rack & Pinion
f suspension MacPherson Struts w/Strut Tiebar,
r suspension Five-Arm Multi-Link
weight 1655 kg / 3649 lbs
weight distro 51 % / 49 %
wheelbase 2761 mm / 108.7 in
front track 1538 mm / 60.6 in
rear track 1539 mm / 60.6 in
length 4615 mm / 181.7 in
width 1817 mm / 71.5 in
height 1418 mm / 55.8 in
transmission SG6 6-Speed Manual
gear ratios 4.055:1, 2.369:1, 1.582:1, 1.192:1, 1.000:1, 0.872:1
final drive 3.85:1
top speed 259.05 kph / 161 mph
0 - 60 mph 4.4 seconds
0 - 100 mph 10.0 seconds
0 - 1/4 mile 12.5 seconds
fuel econ 13 L/100 km or 18.5 mpg
city fuel econ 16.80 L/100 km or 14 mpg
hwy fuel econ 11.76 L/100 km or 20 mpg
fuel capacity 62.83 litres or 16.6 gal.

C63 AMG

submitted by Richard Owen
engine V8
position Front Longitudinal
aspiration Naturally Aspirated
valvetrain DOHC, 4 Valves per Cylinder
fuel feed Fuel Injection
displacement 6208 cc / 378.8 in³
bore 102.2 mm / 4.02 in
stroke 94.6 mm / 3.72 in
compression 11.3:1
power 340.8 kw / 457 bhp @ 6800 rpm
specific output 73.61 bhp per litre
bhp/weight 264.16 bhp per tonne
torque 600 nm / 442.5 ft lbs @ 5000 rpm
body / frame Unit Steel
driven wheels RWD
f brake size mm / in
r brake size mm / in
steering Rack & Pinion w/Speed Sensitive Power Assist
f suspension 3-Link w/Coil Springs, Gas-Pressurised Shock Absorbers, Anti-Roll Bar
r suspension Mulit-Link w/Coil Springs, Gas-Pressurised Shock Absorbers, Anti-Roll Bar
weight 1730 kg / 3814 lbs
wheelbase 2765 mm / 108.9 in
front track 1568 mm / 61.7 in
rear track 1525 mm / 60.0 in
length 4725 mm / 186.0 in
width 1795 mm / 70.7 in
height 1438 mm / 56.6 in
transmission 7-Speed Automatic '7G Tronic'
gear ratios :1
top speed 250 kph / 155.3 mph
0 - 60 mph 4.5 seconds

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