Psychics & Faith Healers: Should They Be Outlawed?

jaye944 · 08-09-2018, 07:15 PM

yet you drive a BMW....

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Originally Posted by CANGRKE70

A fool and his money are soon parted...

CANGRKE70 · 08-10-2018, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jaye944

yet you drive a BMW....

Nope.

jaye944 · 08-10-2018, 09:18 AM

my eye's must be deceiving me in your avatar and signature
and your on a BMW forum

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Originally Posted by CANGRKE70

Nope.

CANGRKE70 · 08-10-2018, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jaye944

my eye's must be deceiving me in your avatar and signature
and your on a BMW forum

I think you've been up too late with your heater issues.

Also calling the kettle black as per your avatar? lol

CTinline-six · 08-10-2018, 10:24 AM

Hard to say. I know a few people that have literally been saved by faith, meaning that if they didn't get help soon they would have likely committed suicide or overdosed. Confiding in someone is what helped turn them around, so I see that as beneficial.

On the other hand, someone who instructs people to get "healing" instead of much needed medical attention should not be giving advice.

bmwv · 08-10-2018, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Real Dodger

Atheists waste much taxpayer money on dumb lawsuits. Should they be outlawed?

https://ktul.com/news/local/oklahoma...-atheist-group

https://www.christianpost.com/news/a...etings-226547/

http://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2...ed-says-judge/

What is your point and why are they stupid?

Captain Blood · 08-10-2018, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bmwv

What is your point and why are they stupid?

The thread is stupid. Another "seinfeld" thread. No real substance, except for the OP to try and feel morally superior to Christians, and other religions.
My points are as valid, if not more so, than the OP's.

The Wind Breezes · 08-10-2018, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CTinline-six

Hard to say. I know a few people that have literally been saved by faith, meaning that if they didn't get help soon they would have likely committed suicide or overdosed. Confiding in someone is what helped turn them around, so I see that as beneficial.

On the other hand, someone who instructs people to get "healing" instead of much needed medical attention should not be giving advice.

I have no problem with the first part. If it makes you happy, go to church, confide in your spiritual leader, all that stuff. It's fine. Unless their agenda is to get you to part with your money, it's all OK with me.

The second part is what defines "faith healers". These people are dangerous frauds who hurt people AND take their money. It is blatant swindling, and should not be allowed.

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Originally Posted by Real Dodger

The thread is stupid. Another "seinfeld" thread. No real substance, except for the OP to try and feel morally superior to Christians, and other religions.
My points are as valid, if not more so, than the OP's.

The point of this thread has nothing to do with religion, it's about people who commit fraud and scam others, often under the cover of spirituality. You should be ashamed of yourself for supporting them.

Captain Blood · 08-10-2018, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wind Breezes

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Originally Posted by CTinline-six

Hard to say. I know a few people that have literally been saved by faith, meaning that if they didn't get help soon they would have likely committed suicide or overdosed. Confiding in someone is what helped turn them around, so I see that as beneficial.

On the other hand, someone who instructs people to get "healing" instead of much needed medical attention should not be giving advice.

I have no problem with the first part. If it makes you happy, go to church, confide in your spiritual leader, all that stuff. It's fine. Unless their agenda is to get you to part with your money, it's all OK with me.

The second part is what defines "faith healers". These people are dangerous frauds who hurt people AND take their money. It is blatant swindling, and should not be allowed.

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Originally Posted by Real Dodger

The thread is stupid. Another "seinfeld" thread. No real substance, except for the OP to try and feel morally superior to Christians, and other religions.
My points are as valid, if not more so, than the OP's.

The point of this thread has nothing to do with religion, it's about people who commit fraud and scam others under the cover of spirituality. You should be ashamed of yourself for supporting them.

You perceive from a false assumption.

The Wind Breezes · 08-10-2018, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Real Dodger

You perceive from a false assumption.

What, you're saying faith healing is real? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Show me the evidence.

Captain Blood · 08-10-2018, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wind Breezes

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Originally Posted by Real Dodger

You perceive from a false assumption.

What, you're saying faith healing is real? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Show me the evidence.

How did you come to the conclusion that I advocate that? You are certainly on your high horse this week.

CigarPundit · 08-10-2018, 05:43 PM

We have way too many laws already. Protecting people from themselves is really not the proper role of government in my view. I’m also pretty skeptical of the proposition that all of the people paying for such services are being defrauded. Different people have their separate reasons for doing things. Maybe some are being genuinely misled due to their own naïveté, but others may just think it’s fun, or desire to suspend disbelief. I don’t believe in supernatural psychic powers either, but I can’t affirmatively disprove it any more than I could disprove the existence of God. Don’t you think it’s a bit presumptuous to declare that your own refusal to believe in something you can neither prove nor disprove should be mandated on everyone else?

Houdini made a living debunking this stuff. If you want to go on a crusade, do that. But spare me more laws to save people from themselves.

CigarPundit · 08-10-2018, 06:08 PM

I could make a pretty good argument that many of the people selling self-help books and services are snake oil salesmen. I could also make a pretty good argument that much of the field of social science isn’t science at all, and is in fact complete BS. Should we outlaw these forms of speech and association too? Here’s an idea, only government approved goods, services and communications should be allowed, so that no one is ever convinced to part foolishly with their money. Sound good? What could go wrong?

Or maybe the government and busybodies should just butt out and let people learn their own lessons.

Seabee_1 · 08-10-2018, 06:18 PM

So OP, if you want them outlawed would you want to get rid of the 1st Amendment as well?

Mingwan · 08-10-2018, 09:13 PM

Yes and no.

Some people just like to fall for that shit.

It’s easy to control someone using their emotions. When people get desperate, they’ll do almost anything.

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08-10-2018, 10:24 AM	#27
CTinline-six Hoonigan 6818 Rep 3,000 Posts Drives: '09 328i, '98 Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Connecticut iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 BMW 328i N51 [0.00]	Hard to say. I know a few people that have literally been saved by faith, meaning that if they didn't get help soon they would have likely committed suicide or overdosed. Confiding in someone is what helped turn them around, so I see that as beneficial. On the other hand, someone who instructs people to get "healing" instead of much needed medical attention should not be giving advice. __________________ "Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should." -Dr. Ian Malcolm, Jurassic Park
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CigarPundit On the road to serfdom 1392 Rep 673 Posts Drives: 2018 F80 M3 DCT, 2019 Raptor Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0) Garage List 2018 F80 M3 DCT [0.00]	We have way too many laws already. Protecting people from themselves is really not the proper role of government in my view. I’m also pretty skeptical of the proposition that all of the people paying for such services are being defrauded. Different people have their separate reasons for doing things. Maybe some are being genuinely misled due to their own naïveté, but others may just think it’s fun, or desire to suspend disbelief. I don’t believe in supernatural psychic powers either, but I can’t affirmatively disprove it any more than I could disprove the existence of God. Don’t you think it’s a bit presumptuous to declare that your own refusal to believe in something you can neither prove nor disprove should be mandated on everyone else? Houdini made a living debunking this stuff. If you want to go on a crusade, do that. But spare me more laws to save people from themselves. __________________ "God bless our troops...Especially our snipers.”
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CigarPundit On the road to serfdom 1392 Rep 673 Posts Drives: 2018 F80 M3 DCT, 2019 Raptor Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0) Garage List 2018 F80 M3 DCT [0.00]	I could make a pretty good argument that many of the people selling self-help books and services are snake oil salesmen. I could also make a pretty good argument that much of the field of social science isn’t science at all, and is in fact complete BS. Should we outlaw these forms of speech and association too? Here’s an idea, only government approved goods, services and communications should be allowed, so that no one is ever convinced to part foolishly with their money. Sound good? What could go wrong? Or maybe the government and busybodies should just butt out and let people learn their own lessons. __________________ "God bless our troops...Especially our snipers.”
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Seabee_1 Private 53 Rep 71 Posts Drives: .l.. Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: .l.. iTrader: (0)	So OP, if you want them outlawed would you want to get rid of the 1st Amendment as well?
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Mingwan Major 1893 Rep 1,338 Posts Drives: X1 Individual custom paint Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Kansas iTrader: (0)	Yes and no. Some people just like to fall for that shit. It’s easy to control someone using their emotions. When people get desperate, they’ll do almost anything.
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