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05-17-2012, 05:06 PM | #45 | |
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Not to throw gasoline on a fire, but I have been warned by several people who track to not use MS spacers. If you were move on to Turners or RS Technik. The price difference is minimal. But to be honest it kind of turned me off to spacers all together.
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05-17-2012, 07:18 PM | #47 |
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The brand of spacers is irrelevant. they are hub centric and made of quality material...now the real questions is WHO THE HELL RUNS SPACERS ON THE TRACK..I mean really? I have the MS spacers now for 6K miles..at first was using their bolts...but since swapped all 20 lugs to RAD lugs bolts..I feel safer knowing they are made in Germany and TUV approved..still if I was tracking I would NEVER run spacers. |
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05-17-2012, 07:27 PM | #48 |
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I have had a spacer fail. Most recently had a bolt fail as well (similar thing, where it didn't back off, just snapped -- luckily for me, it was while I was checking torque at the track. Bolt was not overtorqued and never had been (or used with an airgun, etc.)).
I had it drilled out by a race shop and replaced with ARP studs. Confirmed with the race shop that the problem is not spacers in general (as Phil mentioned earlier, race teams use spacers all the time). But I do not trust the shitty bolts. Personally, I think it's stupid our car design is shitty from the factory as I can't think of any logical reason not to use fixed studs. Post up a close-up picture of one of your failed bolts; curious to see how it compares to mine.
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1. How being installed by the factory affects their reliability, and 2) What it is the maximum size spacer that should be run and the basis for that number
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While the Turner ones definitely seem beefier and I would have no issue with upgrading if it proved beneficial, I just can't believe that a spacer could cause a failure. MS seems to be the most widely used as well so I would assume if their product was really that bad/unsafe that we would have heard about it by now. Glad I switched to studs!
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05-17-2012, 08:22 PM | #53 | |
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I dont know of a "magic" size to run..but logic would dictate the larger spacer you go the more chance for a failure.. Maybe you missed it but I run MS spacers..just wouldnt track with them..thats my take. |
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05-17-2012, 10:20 PM | #54 |
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Such a heated argument. Thanks for all the info fellas. I did a one whole track day on the car and re-torqued my wheels down after every session.
I don't know which one failed first, but I do garuntee after getting to around 150 mph on the back straight of Sebring, with no vibrations whatsoever, I doubt the wheel/spacer was installed improperly. I will never use Macht Snell spacers again, so its irrelevant if they give me another set, but I would LOVE it if someone paid for my destroyed wheel. That or better yet someone to pay for the sweet $300 dollars I threw away on the Sunday track event that i got to watch from the paddocks. I'll contact EAS tomorrow and let you all know what happens from all this. Thanks again. |
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05-17-2012, 10:29 PM | #55 | |
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I thought you just torqued to 20-30 lbs with Locktite? .
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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It's too bad he got run off. .
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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The M3 GTS uses a front spacer to clear the KW coilovers. The M3 GT4 uses a spacer to to accept BBS wheels that have a larger center bore.
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For you spacer might be a just for a cosmetic purpose but seriously, why do you think BMW GT4 uses 5mm/15mm spacers on the race car ? |
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05-17-2012, 10:55 PM | #59 | |
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The picture shows it all..there is not supposed to be any movement if the wheel is sitting perfectly flush and torqued properly to the hub..yet there is tell tale scuff marks here showing the wheels wiggling loose around the bolt holes...torque of the lug bolts is at fault here..period
I check my lug bolts and tire pressure..weekly..if you are going to run spacers (hopefully not on the track) get into this habit.. |
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05-17-2012, 11:56 PM | #62 | |
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05-18-2012, 01:10 AM | #63 |
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That could easily have happened after the bolts broke.
If the OP is going 150mph, how is he not going to feel vibration if the wheel/spacer is not seated on the hub?
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What does the GT4 using them have to do with me? I just wouldn't use a spacer on a track car personally. Buy the right offset of wheel and width and you don't need a spacer. |
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05-18-2012, 09:32 AM | #66 | |
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As far as no vibration maybe they were tight then and came loose after? who knows. ..This pic shows 3 bolts in good shape.. If the other 2 broke its b/c they came loose..these are hardened 10.9 bolts..they are not going to break unless they are loose and wiggling around..the OP’s picture clearly shows 3 bolts on the ground beside the spacer. (if you zoom in) There is not a SHRED of doubt that this was a result of poorly torqued bolts..The evidence is clear..and you guys should stop slandering yet another company for what is clearly an install error Last edited by tibra1; 05-18-2012 at 10:30 AM.. |
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