Why choose a manual when car was not designed for it?

[mgiglio2]

The m3's engine wasn't designed for DCT, DCT was designed for the "yuppie" or female buyer (sorry to insult 99% of women here) who wants a fast car but dosent know how to drive one. Sure they can say it shifts faster but that's just it THE CAR shifts faster. My gf can probally drive a DCT car around a track and pull a decent lap time, shes also been in 3 accidents and has no clue how to drive....enthusiasts get the 6mt, people who just wanna look cool and go fast get the dct.....let the flogging begin, Im sure some anal-retentive *** will throw the book at me for this one

[Tomislav]

OP is trying to justify their DCT purchase

[PrimoM3]

This thread is worthless - allow me to make it purposeful and enjoyable.

[osteome]

Originally Posted by Munit

I don't want to get into a debate over which tranny is "better" ....

But I am going to start one

[mgiglio2]

Originally Posted by PrimoM3

This thread is worthless - allow me to make it purposeful and enjoyable.

BAMA

[LucWerkz]

Originally Posted by mgiglio2

The m3's engine wasn't designed for DCT, DCT was designed for the "yuppie" or female buyer (sorry to insult 99% of women here) who wants a fast car but dosent know how to drive one. Sure they can say it shifts faster but that's just it THE CAR shifts faster. My gf can probally drive a DCT car around a track and pull a decent lap time, shes also been in 3 accidents and has no clue how to drive....enthusiasts get the 6mt, people who just wanna look cool and go fast get the dct.....let the flogging begin, Im sure some anal-retentive *** will throw the book at me for this one

Willing to bet your gf who can't drive will have a better lap time in a DCT car than OP.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by Red_Baron

Willing to bet your gf who can't drive will have a better lap time in a DCT car than OP.

+1. i bought a manual so wife cant drive it.

[GIdriver]

Originally Posted by Mike Benvo

Anyone remember m3alabama? I'm convinced there's a relation.

And Ateam...

[ONEOF40 FS M3]

Just a matter of preference, that's all...

for me..

E92 M3 -DCT
F10 M5 - 6MT

CURRENT RIDES
12 FROZEN SILVER E92 M3
03 GP WHITE S2K AP1

ORDERED
13 MONTECARLO BLUE F10 M5

PREVIOUS M CARS
02 LEMANS BLUE E39 M5
06 SAPPHIRE BLACK E60 M5

[Vic311]

So much for your theory about the M3 not being designed for a manual transmission. When talking about why the M5 will not be offered anymore with a manual transmission Albert Biermann, Head of M Engineering Click

And I quote:

“We just can’t justify it anymore. It’s a no-cost option, but it’s been very difficult to do,” said Biermann.

“Theoretically the stick is cheaper, but it’s very low volumes and we have to strengthen everything in the gearbox and find space for the shifter and another pedal, so it doesn’t work out cheaper.”

“But these rules don’t apply to the bread and butter of the M division: the M3. Biermann said that the M3 “needs to have a stick shift.” To emphasize even more on the importance of the manual box for the M3, he added “It will always have a stick shift.”


Thanks for playing

[aussiem3]

I am not going to get sucked into this troll by someone who is very proud of his 2c and thinks he can convert the world.

Mate, for your information, for the first 12 months of the E92 M3 production there were no transmission option in the markets around the world. BMW delayed introducing the E92 to the north American market till 2008, and if I may recall the first customer cars were not delivered till March/April 2008. Manuals only. I am sure the early adopters of E92 M3 in North America can confirm this.

I was not scheduled to get my car for something like 14-15 months following the introduction to the Australian market because I was late in placing the order. But because most of the early orders were for SMG/DCT/Auto, they couldn't fulfil these and I leapfrogged to 1st on the list and got my car.

The post says a lot about the knowledge of this guy. I don't think he owns an /// car or for that matter even a BMW. A useless time waster. How come we haven't seen a single reply from this "Munit" following the start of this thread. He is a shit stirrer. Go and get a life.

I wish the Admin will ban this guy or remove the thread for the sake of everyone's sanity and the integrity of this forum.

Originally Posted by Munit

I don't want to get into a debate over which tranny is "better" in terms of fun, feel etc etc but rather let me give you an example of how the M division really approached this last generation of M cars starting with the e60 m5 and m6 prior generation with the s85 v10 revving to 8250. They did not even offer the car nor test the car with a manual gearbox. That says A LOT from a compny who actually still puts manuals in virtually all of their regular series cars. If anyone has seen interviews with the M people over this, the engine simply was a terrible fit for a manual box in terms of maximizing its performance and enjoyability.

The 7 speed SMG or now DCT was used because it allowed a much closer ratio tranny that allowed the engine to stay in its quite narrow power band in the high revs as we all know at revs below 5500 there is not much to write home about. They finally stuck a manual on just for the US because we complained but in the end it was a horrible fit in terms of form vs function of the intended purpose of the car.

The new M5 is actually a car that goes well with a manual and a DCt is not nearly as beneficial from the aspect of needing to keep the engine in its limited power band since the powerband is much broader.

So back to the m3, if you have a top engineering company like M, designs a 8400 rpm v8 designed to operate above 6k rpms for extracting power, why would you not want to choose the transmission that it was designed with and designed to enable you to stay in that power band since that is where the power is.

A manual means you cannot stay in the powerband as easily and with slightly larger gaps between gears, especially after 3rd, you are dropping well out of the power band compared to the dct which means you are using hundreds of RPMs to simply catch back up to get into the powerband where as the DCt will shift and keep you right in the band.

I understand the history and the "feeling" but if you choose a car designed with a certain tranny and technology-why not embrace the technology of this car or otherwise choose a different car that was designed with a manual tranny in mind-even the new m5 or a mustang or a regular 335i n54 motor etc.

[BPMSport]

Originally Posted by Vic311

So much for your theory about the M3 not being designed for a manual transmission. When talking about why the M5 will not be offered anymore with a manual transmission Albert Biermann, Head of M Engineering Click

And I quote:

“We just can’t justify it anymore. It’s a no-cost option, but it’s been very difficult to do,” said Biermann.

“Theoretically the stick is cheaper, but it’s very low volumes and we have to strengthen everything in the gearbox and find space for the shifter and another pedal, so it doesn’t work out cheaper.”

“But these rules don’t apply to the bread and butter of the M division: the M3. Biermann said that the M3 “needs to have a stick shift.” To emphasize even more on the importance of the manual box for the M3, he added “It will always have a stick shift.”


Thanks for playing

[canadian stig]

Originally Posted by IfIWerem3

lets make it simple fellas.
6mt = NASCAR
DCT = formula 1

oh man what did I start? and no I am not implying that you 6mt guys are rednecks or that DCT guys are refined like myself. I just hope somebody gets a laugh on the comparison.

actually no. Formula 1 uses a single clutch seamless shift gearbox, which is nothing like the dct.

[canadian stig]

The car is very capable with a manual gearbox. Yes the dct might save a tenth of a second per lap, but unless you are trying to win the american le mans gt2 championship or something, why sacrifice the fun of driving and also get the more expensive, more complex, and less reliable dct just for 0.1s difference?

[Powerbeast]

Wasn't 6MT offered on the M3 prior to SMG?

[///Machine]

Originally Posted by jjw2331

+1 haha. Do you remember the "change your air filter" thread ? And the crazy difference it makes lol

I think it was air filter AND spark plugs....haha

[1MOREMOD]

i got an new kind of air freshener that gives 10whp. plugs into lighter and is supposed to reduce parasitc drag by the electrical system.

[Phanto///M]

Originally Posted by chriszeh

i got an new kind of air freshener that gives 10whp. plugs into lighter and is supposed to reduce parasitc drag by the electrical system.

Where did u get that at? IND, EAS or do you get it upon completion of M school? That comment was just as comical as this thead.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by Phanto///M

Where did u get that at? IND, EAS or do you get it upon completion of M school? That comment was just as comical as this thead.

autozone. the guys there really know there stuff and have helped me build up my car temendously. they also got me into a set of curb feelers and neon undercar tubes.

[Phanto///M]

Originally Posted by chriszeh

autozone. the guys there really know there stuff and have helped me build up my car temendously. they also got me into a set of curb feelers and neon undercar tubes.

Ill have to give autozone my business. I just ordered 26" asanti spinners and those underglows would be a perfect compliment. Im predicting ill have plenty of clearance and no rub....

[Peahi]

Originally Posted by GIdriver

And Ateam...

Yeah!!! Those guys were good riff raff (I agree, ATeam, M3Alabama, prob the same guy). He's not quite at that level yet, but he has some good ones though.

[Darth One]