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M3 has always been my favorite car (normal car). I have no hate for the GT-R, on the contrary I love it. I just don't understand why so many compare the M3 to GT-R and 911 which are real sportscars. M3 is the best but cannot campare to a supercar which was specially built for that purpose and is not just a rebuilt mass production car.
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11-28-2011, 05:46 AM | #24 |
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It won't be: different market niche. In fact, these cars should not be compared. A GT-R's comp is more 911 Turbo.
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11-28-2011, 07:20 AM | #26 |
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I really do not understand why there is the comparsion between the M3 & GTR when there is $30000(In Canada)difference in price.I drove a GTR when they 1st came out and figured out pretty quickly it was not a car that I could live with thanks to the Pinball arcade dash & unfriendly low speed ride & daily driver manners.If I was looking in this price range of car there would be a 911 in my garage before a GTR.
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+1. It looks like a glitch. I don't think it is a steady cornering G.
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11-28-2011, 10:06 AM | #29 |
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I do know that in my M3 that I see peaks of 1.3 in both braking & cornering and I have been with GTRs on track and they are not that much faster in cornering speed.I have seen telemetry from our Canadian Touring car Series and you do see much over 1.6 g's and they are 350 horse,2400 lbs,aero and on slicks.
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11-28-2011, 12:09 PM | #31 |
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TRACK Package? SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...You can't say "TRACK"... Nissan will void your warranty.
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11-28-2011, 12:33 PM | #32 |
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[QUOTE=Gearhead999s;10880015]I really do not understand why there is the comparsion between the M3
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I wonder how that will be phrased in the warranty contract. I'd imagine warranty service, parts and other post purchase costs are where Nissan is recouping the cost of R&D of the GT-R, but to pick up the liability on track day exposures...from a business standpoint I'm just not sure how they are financing this car, especially considering it's not in Sales. |
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11-28-2011, 12:43 PM | #34 |
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Ugh... I hate the app for this website. If you quote a thread and write up something it oftentimes loses what you posted and just puts in the quote!!!
As far as pricing te GTR doesn't really have many options. You're comparing the M3 starting at 71k in Canada vs a GTR at 100k. The GTR doesn't have many options. My buddy bought a new one and the only option was the silver paint (something like 15 coats) which was 5 or 6k but they didn't charge him for it. Total cost was 99k. Most M3's in caanada leave the lot at somewhere around 85k so it's only 15k. At least the GTR is a 2 2 and way more spacious than the 911 hence why I think it does justify being in the vs thread. In my opinion the GTR deserves to be in the va thread over the Cayman which is a 2 seater. Or any vs thread that is a 2 seater. There's a reason why so many are flipping over to a GTR and a new model like the 2013 should justify a new thread. I don't feel like sifting through an older thread that doesn't relate to the current model. I love my M3 and if I trusted the long term use/abuse of the GTR I would have flipped to one myself. Hell I've already hit the price range of angtr with my mods anyways...
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From the GTR owners that track a lot that I have talked to at the track most have had some sort of driveline issue and tell me that to follow the Nissan recommended services if tracked is just insane compared to our M3's or a 911.
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I can take my M3 to DC when I need to work there and even with the suspension in Comfort it is marginal in some places. A GT-R would be unusable as a DD depending on your commute. (And so would a 911 BTW). As to the rear seats, I challenge any adult to fit in there with another adult in the front seat. I've actually tried it in my friend's car, just not possible. For such a big footprint, it is a very poorly packaged car. They shouldn't have bothered, period - the only reason they put those back seats is to make it a *direct* competitor to the 911, which is a little silly IMO. My friend kept his for less than a year then sold it - it was too fast for weekend jaunts (cops/traffic), too harsh/unsuited for DD and tracking was also - quite counter-intuitively - rarely taken advantage of (too fast for some tracks meaning brake issues, potential warranty issues, very high maintenance costs). In other words there may have been a time and place for it, but not in my friend's life. Incidentally he is now driving an X5M plus modified 135i, which add up roughly to an M3 sedan. Quote:
The GT-R costs between $90-100k, the M3 Coupe between $60-77k, that is a significant difference. What's more, the M3 comes in Coupe, Convertible and Sedan forms which address some market needs the GT-R simply cannot. There is very little bleed between M3 and GT-R in either direction. Pricing and the vastly different character of the cars see to that. If I hadn't actually driven it - as fast as I dared over the roads I normally drive - I would have perhaps felt the pang of desire for it - but not after driving it. Anyway, based on the results they've had with the GT-R, if Nissan decides to build a direct M3 competitor no expense spared then I will certainly consider it. Quote:
My track experience vs. the C63 (with better driver) was that the M3 was comfortably faster. That 1-2 second gap in the dry is very repeatable and turns into a 2-4 second gap in the rain. In terms of street driving experience, they are both *way* too fast to fully exploit where I live. To the point where I could be easily persuaded to go with a *slower* car, just so I can bury that pedal more often. Of course, your own personal experience may vary greatly.
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My dude, I don't think you realize how draining the GT-R could be. Think about all the R&D, time at the Ring, parts ...and then look at the price. Other companies do it, but they have larger margins on their cars. Also, the GT-R is being updated on an annual basis, do you realize what efforts that takes to roll out a new model with upgraded x, y, z and maintain approximately the same price... I would argue that at BEST Nissan breaks even on the sales of the car if not takes a little hit on it in hopes of recouping costs at time of service, parts or warranty. |
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Reading comprehension must not be your forte. I said I could buy 5 of them as obviously a tongue in cheek comment --- was mentioned in the first place as the first thing those that feel the need to defend the GT-R always isinuate that the reason for not liking the GT-R is either jealousy or lack of funds. I'm telling you it's neither in my case. I don't like the car. Period. |
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It strikes me as a bit odd that certain people that don't like the GTR and complain that there are too many threads about a GTR insist on commenting on it over and over again.
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Huh? The 2012 model year GTRs have been available since March 2011 and the 2013s are being built now. I traded a 2012 for a 2013. Yes the model year designation is dumb.
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