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      01-03-2020, 03:35 PM   #2465
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Yea, although I have only gone through 18 so far, could just be a fluke at this point.

Btw, another one that wasn't caused (initially) by failed rod bearings, Sti2e92sedan engine's oil pump packed up, then the engine seized. Not really the RBs fault!

Stats update 11/18 are due to RB failure, with no other apparent cause.

Although I will say that 2 of those 11 might be attributed to other things, e.g h4nh's car was supercharged (not blaming that significantly) & running 89/91 octane fuel, which was below the recommended 93 apparently! So maybe detonation could be to blame? Although that said, ESS mentioned the ECU's anti-detonation safety features are left untouched on their tunes (I think that's SC the guy had??), so maybe not?? I don't know, tricky one that.
Also Brooklyn Mark's car was never confirmed as failed RBs, although it is very likely as he said "I heard a small pop and then tons of white smoke out the exhaust and from the hood. Pulled over and tons of fluid started leaking out. Car does not start,...", and a picture of his car being pulled into the workshop with a big trail of oil! But that could be down to a busted conrod bolt, failed oil pump, badly(!) failed head gasket etc, so I'm not sure if we should count that one really. What do you guys reckon?

Anyway, I'm going to start posting my list tracking doc here :-

1.maicol76 - confirmed, 29k kms
2.RenoE92M3 - conf, 43k miles
3.zOOm - conf, 59k miles
4.MathewDavid - NOT blown up! Ticking noise later went away!
5.Gatchaman - conf, 6k miles
6.I LOVE MY M3 - NOT blown up! Slight wear to bearings, unknown reason for strip down
7.taleof2bricks - conf, 28k miles
8.DLSJ5 - conf blown, but due to oil leak from supercharger! Ran out of oil! Plus had high boost! Not RB design.
9.armorrig - not confirmed! No evidence or post of a blown engine.
10.elmariachi (aka? satinghostrider) - conf.pistons broken + unknown amount of bearing wear, possibly due to detonation
11.h4nh - conf, in a later post, supercharged & run 89/91 fuel!
12.Brooklyn Mark - likely blown but not confirmed, 38k miles, supercharged, forum banned him 4/2014
13.e90m3_6MT - confirmed, broken con-rod etc,
14.Boxed - confirmed rod bearings worn out by BMW, bearings replaced
15.jacobe92 - confirmed rod bearing failure, 31k miles, no more info
16.Sti2e92sedan - confirmed seized engine but NOT by RBs, failed oil pump
17.M3NST3R - confirmed 'blown', 47k miles, no more info


185. Kobaiyashi - conf, 136k
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Number of failed engines (cause stated where known),

1.maicol76 - conf, 29k kms (18k miles)
2.RenoE92M3 - conf, 43k miles
3.zOOm - conf, 59k miles
4.MathewDavid - NOT blown up! Ticking noise later went away!
5.Gatchaman - conf, 6k! miles
6.I LOVE MY M3 - NOT blown up! Slight wear to bearings, unknown reason for strip down
7.taleof2bricks - conf, 28k miles
8.DLSJ5 - conf blown, but due to oil leak from supercharger! Ran out of oil! Plus had high boost! Not RB design.
9.armorrig - not confirmed! No evidence or post of a blown engine.
10.elmariachi (aka? satinghostrider) - conf.pistons broken + unknown amount of bearing wear, possibly due to detonation
11.h4nh - conf, in a later post, supercharged & run 89/91 fuel!
12.Brooklyn Mark - likely blown up but not confirmed, 38k miles, supercharged, forum banned him 4/2014
13.e90m3_6MT - confirmed, broken con-rod etc,
14.Boxed - confirmed rod bearings worn out by BMW, bearings replaced
15.jacobe92 - confirmed rod bearing failure, 31k miles, no more info
16.Sti2e92sedan - confirmed seized engine but NOT by RBs, failed oil pump
17.M3NST3R - confirmed, 47k miles, no more info
18.Canadian - confirmed, 6k! miles, repaired by BMW (did some track days[I've not noted previous track mentions])
19.zgirl1999 - unknown, website gone
20.bigtracing - confirmed, 96k
21.Artem@ONEighty - confirmed, 28k, engine replaced by BMW
22.Elvace - not confirmed! The photos of 3 RBs he did take show modest wear, additionally he had a broken clutch plate which was almost certainly the source of the noise in the video! 105k kms(65.2k miles)
23.kinnsella - confirmed, 35k, BMW replaced engine with a reman unit
24.HapaM3 - confirmed, 47k, (some tracking)
25.JDATX - confirmed, 39k miles, replaced under BMW warranty
26.amg893 - confirmed, 90k kms(56k miles)
27.foolio2 - Confirmed, 6.7k!, BMW replaced engine
28.brandfay - confirmed, 20k miles, BMW replaced under warranty
29.Agent Orange, name changed(?) to Morally Gray - confirmed(ish) main bearing failure! Supercharged, suspicions fall on the supercharger though. 70k kms (43.5k miles), 2010 MY
30.Maybe 5 other cases in Oz?? - not confirmed, no specific reports
31.Crusher - confirmed, 20k miles, 2012 MY, BMW replaced under warranty
32.e93 jonesy - confirmed, no car info, BMW replaced under warranty
33.BMW Fanatik - confirmed, but suspicion of other factors, his engine definitely died, but it may have originally been damaged by being hydraulically locked from sucking water in a "massive puddle"!, 12k kms! (7.5k miles), somehow he got it done under warranty!
34.stubble88 - (name corrected) confirmed, 20k, replaced by BMW, slightly changed link https://www.m3post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=226
35.mkoesel - confirmed(ish) - video produced, sounds like a big end knocking (not belt noise lol!), engine wasn't stripped down during his ownership, 95k miles
36.REDBULL - confirmed, 23k miles, 2010 MY
37.TL866 (3 cases in Spain) corrected link https://www.m3post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=523 - not confirmed, in Spanish! (will Google translate later)
38.TrakBch - aka Master P! confirmed blown engine from RB failure, 63.7k miles, 2008 MY, https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=963103 (regularly tracked)
39.JRLittle - confirmed broken rod, 500 miles!! 2010 MY. Possible contributory factor, RPM run in limit exceeded, it seems likely it was ragged before it was run in! 2010 MY
40.magicknife - confirmed engine failure, replaced by BMW under warranty, cause unknown other than a very loud noise
41.neilm3 - NOT confirmed, initial failure not due to RBs, headgasket failed which lead to coolant mixing with oil subsequently destroying RBs.
42.LoonR1 - confirmed engine failure, likely bearing failure (swarf in engine), 33.5k miles, 2011 MY, BMW replaced under warranty
43.Malek@MRF - 38k miles, 2011 MY, was running 0w/40 oil for last 15k miles. Better link showing pics of RBs & crank https://www.m3post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=672
44.Five potential cases in Bahrain by 0-60Motorsports - not confirmed, no links, no real info, nothing!
45.antonio010 - confirmed engine failure due to bearing failure (mentions both mains & rod bearings), 90k miles,2008 MY
46.oreokid24 - confirmed RB failure, BMW replaced engine under warranty, 35k miles, 2011 MY
47.fer316 (4 in Europe) - not confirmed yet, in Spanish, will try translating it later, maybe!
48.tar0d - confirmed RB failure, 60k kms (37k miles), 2008 MY,
49.tobilli - confirmed RB failure, 90k kms (56k miles), 2009 MY
50.ellekz - confirmed ,47k miles, 2009 MY,
51.BMW M3 Guy - confirmed RB failure, 55k miles, 2008 MY, repaired by BMW under goodwill!
52.JYTSky - confirmed bearing failure (which unknown), 36k miles, 2011 MY, BMW repaired under warranty
53.M33DDIE - confirmed engine failure, cause unknown, but piston was removed from original engine to inspect, 35k miles, 2008 MY
54.PERFM3(renamed PerfM5) - confirmed bearing failure, ? miles,2008 MY, covered by 3rd party warranty
55.mtecnic - confirmed blown engine (crank/rods failure), 70k miles, 2008 MY, covered by CPO party warranty (car tracked)
56.xccess - confirmed blown engine (likely bearings/rods), 88k miles, 2008 MY,
57.vmudry - confirmed RBs failed, 56k miles, 2008 MY
58.theboss1853 - confirmed RBS failed, 60k miles, 2008 MY
59.ellekz - confirmed RBs failed, ~45k miles, 2nd (used) engine!
60.avusm3 - confirmed engine failure (seized), unknown cause, 44k miles, 2011 MY
61.Oxymoron - confirmed engine failure (seized main bearings), 32k miles, 2011 MY, BMW replaced under goodwill
62.

185. Kobaiyashi - confirmed, 136k

Missing reports :-
williocom, dead engine (no further info), 20k miles, BMW replaced under warranty https://www.m3post.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=16

radiantm3 - confirmed , 61k miles, RBs originally changed at 17k!

surewin - confirmed failed RBs, 62k miles (photos plus oil report) https://www.m3post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=256


Total 185 @1/1/20

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We've got 5 failed S65's in the shop right now that aren't on that list. I'll need to gather the failure data.
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Another possible way to figure this:

How many fresh spare S65s did BMW produce?

How many fresh spare S65s does BMW still have in stock?

Then we just need to estimate how many were replaced for reasons other than premature bearing failure, such as broken oil pan, valve springs, over-rev etc.

Not sure how to figure out how many spare S65s were originally produced though.

And if you can believe what you read on the internet, it sounds like BMW ran out of the original spare S65 engines some time ago.

Anyway, it would be nice to know how many spare engines BMW has gone through.

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Another possible way to figure this:

How many fresh spare S65s did BMW produce?

How many fresh spare S65s does BMW still have in stock?

Then we just need to estimate how many were replaced for reasons other than premature bearing failure, such as broken oil pan, valve springs, over-rev etc.

Not sure how to figure out how many spare S65s were originally produced though.

And if you can believe what you read on the internet, it sounds like BMW ran out of the original spare S65 engines some time ago.

Anyway, it would be nice to know how many spare engines BMW has gone through.

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That's not possible because *if* BMW replaces an S65 , it's a rebuild S65 by BMW in the German factory .
In other words , the replaced S65 is never a brand new engine and it has limited warranty ..
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That's not possible because *if* BMW replaces an S65 , it's a rebuild S65 by BMW in the German factory .
In other words , the replaced S65 is never a brand new engine and it has limited warranty ..
Hmm, I thought I had read that BMW had some spares. Perhaps this is just misinformation.

Seems strange that they would have zero spares as the first engine to fail would have to wait for a rebuild. And if a block is windowed, or the crank girdle is severely damaged, it is not rebuild-able. Or can the factory fix engines with MAJOR damage?

Oh well, just a thought.

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Hmm, I thought I had read that BMW had some spares. Perhaps this is just misinformation.

Seems strange that they would have zero spares as the first engine to fail would have to wait for a rebuild. And if a block is windowed, or the crank girdle is severely damaged, it is not rebuild-able. Or can the factory fix engines with MAJOR damage?

Oh well, just a thought.

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Maybe they had some spares in the beginning of the production back in 2007/8 . But that's what I heard over here at my BMW/Dealer .
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We've got 5 failed S65's in the shop right now that aren't on that list. I'll need to gather the failure data.
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We've got 5 failed S65's in the shop right now that aren't on that list. I'll need to gather the failure data.
Just ballpark, from your personal experience, what percentage of failures that you've seen are in 08-10 cars, and what percentage are in 11-13 cars?

Clearly, higher mileage probably factors into this some...
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Any more info on those engines?
Btw, any of them have recent oil reports beforehand?

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Hmm, I thought I had read that BMW had some spares. Perhaps this is just misinformation.

Seems strange that they would have zero spares as the first engine to fail would have to wait for a rebuild. And if a block is windowed, or the crank girdle is severely damaged, it is not rebuild-able. Or can the factory fix engines with MAJOR damage?

Oh well, just a thought.

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No one could reliably repair a windowed block, it's only good for scrap. Welding back in bits (even if you have them all) would never be as strong.

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Just on pause on going through that list atm, I'm compiling a different list of posts where people have posted pics of bearings & oil reports.
I'm looking into the claim that oil reports have missed failing bearings, so far I haven't found a single solid case!
But I have found 17 cases where oil reports have found bad bearings, 5 cases where the reports said they were ok & they then preventatively changed them & they were ok (yes they were very worn , but not through to copper).
6 cases claimed the oil reports had failed to find problems, but they were either done 5+k miles beforehand or their bearings weren't actually completely shot! (as in through to copper). Anyway, I'll be posting a thread about this.
If anyone has any solid claims of oil reports missing shot bearings (as in close to or have failed, as in showing copper), then link me up!

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Any more info on those engines?
Btw, any of them have recent oil reports beforehand?



No one could reliably repair a windowed block, it's only good for scrap. Welding back in bits (even if you have them all) would never be as strong.

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Just on pause on going through that list atm, I'm compiling a different list of posts where people have posted pics of bearings & oil reports.
I'm looking into the claim that oil reports have missed failing bearings, so far I haven't found a single solid case!
But I have found 17 cases where oil reports have found bad bearings, 5 cases where the reports said they were ok & they then preventatively changed them & they were ok (yes they were very worn , but not through to copper).
6 cases claimed the oil reports had failed to find problems, but they were either done 5+k miles beforehand or their bearings weren't actually completely shot! (as in through to copper). Anyway, I'll be posting a thread about this.
If anyone has any solid claims of oil reports missing shot bearings (as in close to or have failed, as in showing copper), then link me up!
Great job man. I wish I could give you control of this thread.
I'm kind of over it since I feel there's PLENTY of evidence as it stands that there's a problem with this motor.
You may want to start a new thread and keep things cleaner... until the next troll rolls in and shits all over the place.
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Ah fair enough, I'd be concerned that 2 threads would end up competing against each other though, maybe when I'm done you could just post a link to my updated list?

Plus I like keeping the old original threads going , we'll see.
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Found one on ebay

Blown engine

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One more ebay car with replaced engine

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Im 99.99% sure I'll be added to the list.

Heard a ticking noise unlike I'd heard before in the 70kmiles I've put on the car. Shut the motor off. Called a friend of mine to come over and take a listen; He actually had to get new S65 put into his E90 because of similar knocking noise.

Start the motor up for him and my gf when he arrived about 30 minutes after I reached out; noise is gone.

However!!! I did actually pull my oil filter, cut a piece out, drained the piece of as much oil as possible & WOW. The number of copper-looking metal shards and pieces I saw was a wake up call.

Never thought this would happen to me considering I purchasing the car with 1 previous owner at 72k April 2017. Its not Jan 2020 and the motor has 138k on it now. I assumed if this was going to happen, it would have way earlier.

(Car was always never revved above 3.5k before oil reading was clear, and BMW TwinPower Turbo 10-60 was used every 3-4k miles.)

Im in shock honestly. Will get the car towed to a shop here in DFW and expect the worst....
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another to add to the list?

https://www.m3post.com/forums/showth...1153809&page=6
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Im 99.99% sure I'll be added to the list.

Heard a ticking noise unlike I'd heard before in the 70kmiles I've put on the car. Shut the motor off. Called a friend of mine to come over and take a listen; He actually had to get new S65 put into his E90 because of similar knocking noise.

Start the motor up for him and my gf when he arrived about 30 minutes after I reached out; noise is gone.

However!!! I did actually pull my oil filter, cut a piece out, drained the piece of as much oil as possible & WOW. The number of copper-looking metal shards and pieces I saw was a wake up call.

Never thought this would happen to me considering I purchasing the car with 1 previous owner at 72k April 2017. Its not Jan 2020 and the motor has 138k on it now. I assumed if this was going to happen, it would have way earlier.

(Car was always never revved above 3.5k before oil reading was clear, and BMW TwinPower Turbo 10-60 was used every 3-4k miles.)

Im in shock honestly. Will get the car towed to a shop here in DFW and expect the worst....
Have you thought on taking it to deansbimmer's workshop?

I think it's located on Texas, named Mporium.
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Have you thought on taking it to deansbimmer's workshop?

I think it's located on Texas, named Mporium.
He messaged me but we haven't heard back from shakywarrior... I'm sure he'll update everyone if he decides to have us help him.

We are in North Dallas (McKinney). www.mporiumbmw.com
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Im 99.99% sure I'll be added to the list.

Heard a ticking noise unlike I'd heard before in the 70kmiles I've put on the car. Shut the motor off. Called a friend of mine to come over and take a listen; He actually had to get new S65 put into his E90 because of similar knocking noise.

Start the motor up for him and my gf when he arrived about 30 minutes after I reached out; noise is gone.

However!!! I did actually pull my oil filter, cut a piece out, drained the piece of as much oil as possible & WOW. The number of copper-looking metal shards and pieces I saw was a wake up call.

Never thought this would happen to me considering I purchasing the car with 1 previous owner at 72k April 2017. Its not Jan 2020 and the motor has 138k on it now. I assumed if this was going to happen, it would have way earlier.

(Car was always never revved above 3.5k before oil reading was clear, and BMW TwinPower Turbo 10-60 was used every 3-4k miles.)

Im in shock honestly. Will get the car towed to a shop here in DFW and expect the worst....
I don't know why everyone is confused by this. Bearings can go at pretty much any mileage despite proper warm up and oil changes. You're not the first and won't be the last.
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Im 99.99% sure I'll be added to the list.

Heard a ticking noise unlike I'd heard before in the 70kmiles I've put on the car. Shut the motor off. Called a friend of mine to come over and take a listen; He actually had to get new S65 put into his E90 because of similar knocking noise.

Start the motor up for him and my gf when he arrived about 30 minutes after I reached out; noise is gone.

However!!! I did actually pull my oil filter, cut a piece out, drained the piece of as much oil as possible & WOW. The number of copper-looking metal shards and pieces I saw was a wake up call.

Never thought this would happen to me considering I purchasing the car with 1 previous owner at 72k April 2017. Its not Jan 2020 and the motor has 138k on it now. I assumed if this was going to happen, it would have way earlier.

(Car was always never revved above 3.5k before oil reading was clear, and BMW TwinPower Turbo 10-60 was used every 3-4k miles.)

Im in shock honestly. Will get the car towed to a shop here in DFW and expect the worst....
I don't know why everyone is confused by this. Bearings can go at pretty much any mileage despite proper warm up and oil changes. You're not the first and won't be the last.
Not surprised. Just sucks.
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So the guy you bought it from said he had the bearings done?

If not then for two years and 66k miles under your ownership you didn't consider it?



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Originally Posted by shakywarrior View Post
Im 99.99% sure I'll be added to the list.

Heard a ticking noise unlike I'd heard before in the 70kmiles I've put on the car. Shut the motor off. Called a friend of mine to come over and take a listen; He actually had to get new S65 put into his E90 because of similar knocking noise.

Start the motor up for him and my gf when he arrived about 30 minutes after I reached out; noise is gone.

However!!! I did actually pull my oil filter, cut a piece out, drained the piece of as much oil as possible & WOW. The number of copper-looking metal shards and pieces I saw was a wake up call.

Never thought this would happen to me considering I purchasing the car with 1 previous owner at 72k April 2017. Its not Jan 2020 and the motor has 138k on it now. I assumed if this was going to happen, it would have way earlier.

(Car was always never revved above 3.5k before oil reading was clear, and BMW TwinPower Turbo 10-60 was used every 3-4k miles.)

Im in shock honestly. Will get the car towed to a shop here in DFW and expect the worst....
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